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"Made in the USA" versus "Made in China"

(For the updated list, as of 2016, see the bottom of this first post)

I have been tracking this for a few years now..
here is the update for 2013:

The State of Snowblower evolution, 2013 model year.

Tecumseh snowblower engines, up to 2008, were always made in the USA. Briggs & Stratton engines were made in the USA for the majority of its history. Around the year 2000 (perhaps earlier in the 90’s) Briggs began their smaller gas engines in China.

Up until 2008, probably 90% of snowblowers were 100% American-made, both the snowblower body, and the engine both. Tecumseh had the majority of the snowblower engine market before 2008, and Briggs was still making their larger engines in the USA. Only the smaller Briggs engines were made in China.

Tecumseh pulled out of the small gas engine business in 2008. 2009 was the last model year that snowblowers were commonly found with Tecumseh engines on them. (2009 model year were machines that went on sale in the Autumn of 2008)

Since 2008, Production of small gas engines has moved to China in a huge way.
In 2008, perhaps 90% of snowblowers had American-made engines on them.
Only 5 years later, in 2013, probably 90% have Chinese-made engines. And the percentage of American-made engines continues to drop. Soon it will likely be 100% Chinese engines on all snowblowers, lawnmowers, garden tractors, and anything with a small gas single-cylinder engine.

Brand names with American-made snowblower bodies, and *some* American-made engines:
(the last remaining 100% made in the USA snowblowers)

Ariens - Three models remaining in the 2013 lineup with American-made Briggs engines:
12V Pro 32, Platinum 30, Deluxe 30.
The rest of the models have Chinese engines.

Beginning this year, 2013 model year, "Made in the USA" stickers have appeared on engines of Ariens machines, which have the USA-made engines:

(im not sure if Ariens added the stickers, or if Briggs did.)
But this is the first model year those stickers have been seen on those engines, a handy spotting feature!

Snapper - (made by Briggs & Stratton)
Three models remaining in the 2013 lineup with American-made Briggs engines:
M1529E, H1528E, H1730E.
The rest of the models have Chinese engines.

Simplicity - (made by Briggs & Stratton)
Four models remaining in the 2013 lineup with American-made Briggs engines:
H1528E, H1730E, P1524E, P1728E.
The rest of the models have Chinese engines.

The Briggs brands are using the old Simplicity and Murray designs for their snowblowers.
Since 2005, the Briggs names have included Simplicity, Snapper, Murray, John Deere,
and Brute. John Deere and Murray snowblowers are no longer being made. And Brute
is 100% Chinese engines.

Husqvarna - The evolutionary successor to the old AYP snowblower line.
One model remaining with an American-made Briggs engine.
14527E
The rest of the models have Chinese engines.
Husqvarna also makes Polan snowblowers, Poulan has 100% Chinese engines.


That makes Eleven total snowblower models in 2013, from three manufacturers (Ariens, Briggs and Husqvarna) that are still 100% American made, both the snowblower, and the engine both. And the percentage drops every year. Soon it is likely we will have all Chinese engines on all snowblowers.


Brand names with American-made snowblower bodies, and all Chinese-made engines, (as of 2013)

MTD brands (Cub Cadet, Troy-Bilt, Yard Machines, most Craftsman) - all Chinese engines. (starting in 2012)

Toro - All Chinese Engines. (starting in 2013)


Brand names that are 100% made in China:
In addition to Chinese engines on American-made snowblowers, we are now also seeing 100% Chinese made snowblowers, both the snowblower body, and the engine both. The following brands are known to be 100% Chinese built:

Stanley
World Lawn
Snow Beast
Huskee
Powerland
Snow Joe

The 100% American made snowblower (and lawnmower, and riding mower, and garden tractor) is fading fast..get them while you still can!

Which engines are the remaining American-made engines? Only three US-made snowblower engines remain:

Briggs & Stratton 305cc 1450 Series
Briggs & Stratton 342cc 1550 Series
Briggs & Stratton 342cc 1650 Series.

ALL other snowblower engines, including all Briggs engines except those three models, are made in China..(the exception being perhaps Honda snowblowers, who perhaps still makes some Honda engines in Japan, and China as well.)

But there are definitely only three remaining US-made engines.
(source for that info is “Snowmann” on the forums, who is known to work for Ariens,
He posted that info about the Briggs engines a few years ago.)

Other sources: Ariens 2013 brochure, Toro 2013 brochure, Cub Cadet brochure, other MTD brand webpages, Briggs & Stratton brand (Simplicity, Snapper) webpages, Husqvarna webpage.

Disclaimer 1 - yes, I know..someone will bring it up! I am aware that when I say “100% American-made snowblower, both the snowblower body and engine both” that is not *literally* 100% true! Because some *parts* are made overseas..The American-made Briggs engine likely has parts made in China inside of it, and perhaps the “Made in America” snowblowers do as well! But im not concerned about that.
This is my criteria:
If its made in a factory on US soil, by US workers, then im calling it “Made in the USA”
If its made in a factory on Chinese soil, by Chinese workers, then im calling it “Made in China”
Im not concerned with the exact origin of every last nut and bolt.

Disclaimer 2 - the above information is likely incomplete! Especially the “100% made in China snowblower” data..there are probably several brand names I am missing. Also, The above list primarily focuses on 2-stage snowblowers, because it is believed that 100% of Single-Stage snowblower engines are made in China, and have been for some time.

If anyone has any corrections or additions to this list, please let me know!
I have been tracking snowblower evolution since 2009, (and all the way back to 1960! With my Ariens webpage) and I will try to update this list every January.

Thanks,
Scot


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Below is the updated list, which I post in a new reply at the "end" of this thread, as things change.
I will also post the update here in this first thread. The information above is from January 2013.
The information below is accurate as of:

February 2016:


Quote:
Originally Posted by sscotsman View Post
Updated list!
the Chinese brand names are getting so numerous, I have now put them in alphabetical order!
Below is copied and pasted from previous posts, with updated names:

Updated list..some new 100% Chinese brand names have come to light..
List as of February 2016:

Snowblower bodies still made in the USA (everything except the engine):
All Ariens and Ariens Sno-Tek.
All Briggs & Stratton, Snapper, Simplicity, Brute, Murray.
Probably all Husquvarna/Poulan.

Most MTD's still made in the USA, although perhaps not all.. I believe MTD might be importing some 100% Chinese models for their really low end..Or brands like Craftsman is importing them, not MTD..its hard to know for sure what it going on..its best IMO to just avoid MTD names all together. (MTD, Cub Cadet, Troy-Bilt, Yard-machines, Yardman, most Craftsman)

Toro moved 2-stage snowblower production to Mexico in 2013.
Toro now has (as of 2014 model year) snowblower bodies made in Mexico, with engines made in China. No Toro 2-stage snowblowers are made in the USA anymore. (all 2-stage snowblower engines, on all brands except Honda, are now made in China.)

If you want a 100% Made in the USA snowblower, the entire unit, the snowblower and the engine both, there is one remaining choice..
Honda! (single-stage only)
Here is the update on Honda for 2016:

Quote:
Originally Posted by robert@honda View Post
If you want to add Honda:

• All Honda single-stage machines (3 models) are 100% manufactured (including the engine) at Honda's plant in Swepsonville, NC
• Honda 2-stages machines (10 models) are also made there, but the engines are built at a Honda plant in Thailand.
• All snow blowers built at the Honda plant in Swepsonville are further exported to Canada, Europe, and the U.K.
• Honda single-stage snow blowers are the only ones sold in the USA that are 100% made in the USA
• Honda snow engines are only available on a Honda snow blower. Honda does not sell their snow engines to any other manufacturer.
And below are the known brand names that are 100% made in China..these machines should be avoided at all costs!
never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never
never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never buy one of these:

Amico
Beast (Home Depot)
DEK (Sears)
Echelon
GXi Outdoor Power
Huskee
Jet Moto
Mansfield
Powerland
Power Smart
PowRcraft
Pow'R'kraft
Snow Beast (Home Depot)
Snow Joe
Stanley
Sunsay
Tao
Tao Tao
World Lawn
Visita
Yongkang
Yongkang Visita

There are probably more..
(many of those brands also make mowers and other products..I wouldnt buy anything made those brands)
never never never buy one of these! Here is some reading about the quality you can expect if you do:

New Stanley 36" Commerical Two Stage

36 inch Stanley already BROKEN :(


Amazon customer reviews of a powerland model:





And Amazon customer reviews of Stanley model..there is ONE 5-star review, from the manufacturer!
and four 1-star reviews, from actual owners of the machine:
http://tinyurl.com/luf2c24
(update, Amazon removed the 5-star review that was from the manufacturer! good for them..now only real customer reviews remain.)

Scot


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It's unfortunate but a fact of life, things once made here are now made elsewhere along with the jobs of creating them.
There's no single cause, but every consumer has to accept part of the blame. Every stockholder getting a dividend check is another. Every exec that is getting a fatter paycheck becuse of jobs no longer done here have a piece in this puzzle too.
It goes all up and down the food chain.
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And we wonder why there is no jobs any more. We are spoiling are selves out of jobs by buying crap like mtd stuff . So briggs to keep cost down are out sourcing every thing. Another rising cost is unions. Heck if your a union worker it's hard to get fired. I know if I was drinking my lunch like those jeep workers and showed up at a client's house id loose that job.

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sad to see it. Btw I was doing some research and Is Tecumseh (whats left of it) owned by the same company that creates lct engines. I have been trying to find out where they are manufactured.

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Sscotsman, Thanks for all the great information on the different makes, models and engines of snowblowers that are made here and abroad. Since I'm more of a "Here" guy, this info will help me out the next time I'm in the market for another snowblower.

As far as what 69ariens and HCBPH said, I couldn't have said it better. Just for giggles, the next time you're in your local store, go to the flag section and see where your American flag was made. It may surprise you.
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Hey scot. Quick question. I do remember somewhere where I read that Ariens even had some Robin/Subaru engines on them. I checked them out and noticed they have manufaturing plant(s) in japan and a usa plant. Do you happen to know if the engines they had on the Ariens were American made?

I can sort of see why they took them off. The are very expensive engines. I have one on my Go-kart and I'm going to see if I can see on it where it was made.

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Hey scot. Quick question. I do remember somewhere where I read that Ariens even had some Robin/Subaru engines on them. I checked them out and noticed they have manufaturing plant(s) in japan and a usa plant. Do you happen to know if the engines they had on the Ariens were American made?

I can sort of see why they took them off. The are very expensive engines. I have one on my Go-kart and I'm going to see if I can see on it where it was made.
Ariens did/does have a few models with the Subaru engine..starting in 2010, they have had a few models each year, and this year the Subaru engines are on the "power brush" models:

Power Brush

I dont know where they are made! have never seen any data on that..
Two Subaru engines are listed, 169cc and 265cc.
I will try to see if i can find out where they are made!

Subaru webpage for the engines:

Subaru Robin

They make no mention of where they are made..
But good question! I will try to find out..
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SUBARU | Ecology | Regional Activities | Robin Manufacturing Inc. Is the only mention I have found. It really doesn't go into detail exactly where each model comes form though Or if there "put together" there and not actually made.

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It seems to be a fact of life that we are in a global economy. Honda manufactures a number of outdoor products, and has plants in the USA. I've gotten parts from them that are labeled "Made in the USA", and others that are labeled "Assembled in the USA." I've also seen labels from them that say "Assembled in Japan from parts made in the USA."

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For the record, here's Honda:

HS520A, HS520AS (single-stage): Engines are cast in Swepsonville, NC. Complete model assembly is also done in Swepsonville. Canadian and other export versions are also manufactured in Swepsonville.

All others (2-stage wheel and track models HS724, HS928, HS1132, HS1136i): Engines are cast in Thailand, shipped to Japan, final assembly in Japan for global delivery to Honda distributors.

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