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toro ccr 3000 wont start

I took in a 1997 toro ccr 3000 model number 38430 ser. 7911xxxx that will not start. this blower has the Chinese built 47pt6-4 engine.

let me start with letting you know that I am a certified small engine mechanic who has been in the business for near 25 years.
but this one has me stumped. and I need some ideas cuz I have a feeling I'm over looking some thing.
this blower came in cuz it would not start. it had been sitting for several years. the carb was gummed up as well as the fuel filter and fuel line. I had the carb tore down and gone through and cleaned. replaced the primer bulb assembly, primer line, fuel line, fuel filter, and spark plug (cj6y). it has near 160 lbs compression, gets spark, and is getting gas. when you prime it and pull it over, it fires up for a very brief second then dies. plug comes out soaked in gas after several pulls.
in my opinion, I think the coil is only firing under low rpm as when first pulling and starting, but quits as rpm increases. that or it has a bad crank seal.
does any one here have experience with this particular engine? I'm not a toro dealer, and the ccr's that I have seen in the past have had briggs or Tecumseh engines in them.
give me your best input and some ideas in case I over looked some thing.
and no I have not performed a leakdown test on this engine. I feel it's too much of a headache trying to block up the ports to do so.
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Had a non-firing ccr and replaced the little gold box that you see in the pic. Got one for a John Deere Kawasaki engine for around $18.00 shipped. Took me half hour to install. Started on first pull and been fine since.

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hello donp, welcome to SBF!! i don't think you have a chinese engine in that ccr3000 you have an engine made in japan by suzuki like all ccr 2000 and 3000's

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I agree William.
My engine with no fire was a Suzuki. The little ignitor fixed it.

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thanks guys. I'm not familiar with this engine, so it might as well be a Chinese model to me. i'll look into that module. the one on e-bay is $74.99 which is a bit pricey to me. I haven't pulled the recoil housing off yet, so I was assuming it had a magneto/cdi type coil like every thing else has. this thing will spark one time when pulling it over, but then that's it. so I figured coil. but i'll see what I can find. thanks, I knew I was over looking some thing.
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thanks guys. I'm not familiar with this engine, so it might as well be a Chinese model to me. i'll look into that module. the one on e-bay is $74.99 which is a bit pricey to me. I haven't pulled the recoil housing off yet, so I was assuming it had a magneto/cdi type coil like every thing else has. this thing will spark one time when pulling it over, but then that's it. so I figured coil. but i'll see what I can find. thanks, I knew I was over looking some thing.
You didn't finish reading my post. You can find an ignitor by itself for under $20.00.

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thanks guys. I'm not familiar with this engine, so it might as well be a Chinese model to me. i'll look into that module. the one on e-bay is $74.99 which is a bit pricey to me. I haven't pulled the recoil housing off yet, so I was assuming it had a magneto/cdi type coil like every thing else has. this thing will spark one time when pulling it over, but then that's it. so I figured coil. but i'll see what I can find. thanks, I knew I was over looking some thing.
Here's what I used to repair my Toro.

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You didn't finish reading my post. You can find an ignitor by itself for under $20.00.
I read it. there was a link posted to an ebay auction. that was where I got the $74.99 price.
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I read it. there was a link posted to an ebay auction. that was where I got the $74.99 price.
Look up above. I found the part that you need. It is a Mege Fire ignktor. $16.00 and some change. I have a screenshot of the part.

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I saw that too. I've seen those before on some old toro mowers with Tecumseh engines that originally had points. I wanna check every thing out before I order any parts for this blower. this guy already has $139.00 in parts installed, and I don't really like after market stuff, but the original parts are nla. so i'll probably end up looking into one of those and installing it just to get this one done. thanks
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