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Hello, I have an old snowblower its a Montgomery Ward Garden Mark Snowblower Briggs & Stratton
Model: 190402 Type: 0170 01 Code: 7006011

I know that the Type: 0170 stands for January 1970 but would like to know what the engine size is. It has been a very faithful and reliable snowblower until a cple winters ago it stopped getting spark. I purchased a new ARMATURE MAGNETO #333 298968 and installed it and still no spark. The air gap is at .010. There is a wire that goes behind the flywheel and I am thinking that might be where the problem is. It doesn't have electric start so I am not sure why it has a wire going behind it but did some research today to find out how to take the flywheel off. This snow blower is almost 50 yrs old and has great compression yet. I did have to rebuild the drive pulley but other then that it has been well worth the $100 I paid for it 7 years ago. I am just curious about the engine size. It doesn't have any markings left that I can read other then what is above. I contacted someone and was able to get a download of the owners manual and parts schematic which was nice but didn't get the actual engine size. Hoping someone here might know. Thanks in advance.
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what engine is on it?
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it may be a Gilson made machine, the B&S info is here, and this site has a ton of info on the Gilson snowblowers. Can you see the motor label?

https://www.gilsonsnowblowers.com/snowengines.html

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Some googling says its an 8HP engine:


https://www.google.com/search?q=brig...hrome&ie=UTF-8


https://www.briggsandstratton.com/na...fications.html


The second link shows a model 190400, but its from the 1989/1990 timeframe, which is 2 decades off from your 1970 estimate. I would assume model 190402 is a very close relative of 190400, but perhaps not. or, maybe 1970 is wrong? not sure..


Briggs says its the code number that contains the date, not the type number:


https://www.briggsandstratton.com/na...turedAfter1965


In this case, its still 1970!
So, looks like 1970 is correct, and 8hp is also correct.



But there are several links that say 190402 is definitely 8hp, so that part is almost certainty correct.


annd..looks like this clinches it:


https://www.briggsandstratton.com/na.../manuals.html#


Inputting 190402-0170 brings up the same manual as the first Briggs link, which lists model 190400..
the manual is dated 1990's! but.. thats likely just an updated manual date, not the original date. (If engines have a long production run, I have seen updated manuals before)


So, based on the evidence, looks like 1970 is the correct date, and it's 8HP.


Is there a model number for the snowblower itself?


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Wow Thanks guys. More answers in a day then I found in a cple weeks. I will have to look again for any different model number or B&S number. My questions were already answered though. Might be able to update the info tomorrow evening. Might have more questions also. Going to try getting the flywheel off sometime tomorrow. We are expecting snow soon so I can't put it off much longer. Attached one pic of it. Anyway thanks guys the info will be very helpful.
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No Scot I couldn't find another number.
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phaulm12 haven't found one on it yet will look more while I am taking the flywheel off.
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cranman It is a Briggs & Stratton looks like sscottsman answered more questions then I had already though. Thanks for replying. I didn't get back home till late last night almost 1:30am now.. just unwinding and hoping it doesn't snow this morning..
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since it's a Briggs, what I've done to my Simplicitys and my Gilsons and my old Toro's was to replace the coil ( outside the flywheel,) with a modern electronic ignition coil and leave the points and stuff alone...just cut the wire. I used coils from newer blown up Intek motors, but most single Briggs motors with electronic ignition will work......never have to play with points again.
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