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Toro PowerShift 13hp 24", $550, Boston

Toro PowerShift 1332, but changed over to a 24" bucket. So probably vying for the world's most powerful 24" blower

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I Don't know why he thinks it is a BRIGGS Motor. when the other name is stamped on the engine.

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wouldnt it be cool if some Manufacturer put a 420cc on their 24 and called it the "limited edition muscle blower"


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wouldnt it be cool if some Manufacturer put a 420cc on their 24 and called it the "limited edition muscle blower"


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I would want a minimum of 2 cylinders for a muscle blower.

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I'm toying with putting the 420 snow engine I bought last year on a 24 Ariens
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Red thats the big brother engine to your 318cc its the 358cc ohv tec 17.5 ft engine i had the same engine on my 1332 its really only 11 ish hp but still a great engine just not 13 hp
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I'm toying with putting the 420 snow engine I bought last year on a 24 Ariens

While it would be cool for bragging rights, it does seem like diminishing returns. My 24" (318cc OHV) will often have snow overflowing from the side of the bucket, into the cleared area, before it bogs down. So I still have to limit my ground speed. Adding a whole bunch more power wouldn't do me much good, if I wanted to avoid snow-overflow.

Now, if it also had bigger pulleys, to spin the impeller & augers faster, that's a different story. Then you could use a faster ground speed, while still processing all the snow.

Or, with stock pulleys, you could just rip along, and then do cleanup passes. I've found that, when the snow gets deep, it's often quicker for me to use a faster ground speed, and let the snow overflow. Then I make rapid cleanup passes in 6th gear, to get the overflow. As far I can tell I don't have any slipping belts, and the shear pins are intact, so I think the machine is working properly, it just can't always process enough snow per second.

1132le, yeah, my 10hp OHV engine may not really be 10hp, but still, it does pretty well.

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While it would be cool for bragging rights, it does seem like diminishing returns. My 24" (318cc OHV) will often have snow overflowing from the side of the bucket, into the cleared area, before it bogs down. So I still have to limit my ground speed. Adding a whole bunch more power wouldn't do me much good, if I wanted to avoid snow-overflow.

Now, if it also had bigger pulleys, to spin the impeller & augers faster, that's a different story. Then you could use a faster ground speed, while still processing all the snow.

Or, with stock pulleys, you could just rip along, and then do cleanup passes. I've found that, when the snow gets deep, it's often quicker for me to use a faster ground speed, and let the snow overflow. Then I make rapid cleanup passes in 6th gear, to get the overflow. As far I can tell I don't have any slipping belts, and the shear pins are intact, so I think the machine is working properly, it just can't always process enough snow per second.

1132le, yeah, my 10hp OHV engine may not really be 10hp, but still, it does pretty well.

You have a great engine just about puts out what it was rated in real hp
that engine was rated as high as 11.5 on the 11528 pro
16 ft lbs on a 24 bucket is a killer setup
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To use more power with a given size blower, yeah, you'd either need a bigger impeller or a faster spinning impeller. More HP and a faster impeller will let it process more snow, meaning you can walk faster in deep snow. For those who get 18+ inch dumps regularly, something like the Predator 670 on a 32" with an increased impeller speed would be an awesome blower. And you'd get some impeller speed gains even without a pulley change (as well as increased drive speed) as the 670 is rated to 4000 RPM. Or maybe one of the big 30+ HP Briggs Vanguards on a 36"...

As far as knowing the "real" HP of a given engine, unless the manufacturer publishes a proper spec (HP at a given RPM tested according to XYZ standard) or gives a graph of torque against RPM and specifies a test standard, the best any of us can do is guess at how much HP it really has.

As an example, the newer Briggs snow engines come with a torque graph with a standard specified. Graph ends at 3600 RPM so we can't determine for sure where peak HP is, but we can at least calculate HP at 3600 RPM. LCT, doesn't give graphs, so we can't make the same assessment on their engines.

And of course, usable HP as installed on the blower will be slightly less (probably in the ballpark of 0.5 - 1 HP below gross engine HP) due to electrical loads, power loss in the belt drive (it's not perfectly efficient), possibly a different exhaust system than tested with, etc.

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To use more power with a given size blower, yeah, you'd either need a bigger impeller or a faster spinning impeller. More HP and a faster impeller will let it process more snow, meaning you can walk faster in deep snow. For those who get 18+ inch dumps regularly, something like the Predator 670 on a 32" with an increased impeller speed would be an awesome blower. And you'd get some impeller speed gains even without a pulley change (as well as increased drive speed) as the 670 is rated to 4000 RPM. Or maybe one of the big 30+ HP Briggs Vanguards on a 36"...

As far as knowing the "real" HP of a given engine, unless the manufacturer publishes a proper spec (HP at a given RPM tested according to XYZ standard) or gives a graph of torque against RPM and specifies a test standard, the best any of us can do is guess at how much HP it really has.

As an example, the newer Briggs snow engines come with a torque graph with a standard specified. Graph ends at 3600 RPM so we can't determine for sure where peak HP is, but we can at least calculate HP at 3600 RPM. LCT, doesn't give graphs, so we can't make the same assessment on their engines.

And of course, usable HP as installed on the blower will be slightly less (probably in the ballpark of 0.5 - 1 HP below gross engine HP) due to electrical loads, power loss in the belt drive (it's not perfectly efficient), possibly a different exhaust system than tested with, etc.

They are rated in gross torque not net torq the real net hp is lower
the torq is lower at 3600 then 2500 in honda case 2900 rpm flatty tec case and 3000rpm ohv tec case

they older engines were, all over rated
tec 318 cc flatty 7 hp on its best day 12.75 torq rated 8 hp and 9'hp cough

tec 358 cc flatty 9 hp on its best day 15.5 torq ratted 10 hp and 11 hp cough

tec 318cc ohv 9.9 hp best day 16 ft lbs rated 10 hp 11 hp and 11.5 hp cough cough

tec 358cc ohv 10.9 hp best day 17.5 torq ratted 12 hp and 13 hp the guy who paid for the highest rating got hosed in every case
the worst being anyone who bought the 11528 pro and the best is reds 1024 pro
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