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At work, I use a Husqvarna 12527HV with an LCT 291cc Snow King engine. When it hasn't been run in a while, I have to use the electric start otherwise I would collapse from pulling and pulling and pulling......

I also have to say, while the starter is cranking the engine over, there is a lot of clanking and noise coming from the engine. Once it starts, it's fine.

Due to the fact that it is a hard starter when cold, I can't say that I had a good first impression with the LCT engine. There is NO throttle - just wide open all of the time. Sometimes I do wish that I could throttle it back when I have to step away but don't want to shut it down.

With two seasons under my belt now, this machine has grown on me, and I actually like using it. Once the engine warms up, it's a great runner with power to spare.

In a previous thread about possibly re-powering with an LCT 414cc engine - a suggestion to get a throttle kit was mentioned.

I have also ordered one of the LCT 414cc engines to have on hand because of such a reasonable price.
LCT Snow King Series 414CC PW2HK191250781DE 12.5 HP Winter Engine

But they don't come with a throttle kit. I was wondering what a throttle kit was until I looked at the Ariens AX engine. "Ah, so that's the throttle control!"

I am not interested in updating my boss' Husqvarna but when I re-power something with this new LCT 414, the question is: To add a throttle or not?

Does it really matter? Is it worth it? Does the engine suffer without it? etc.....

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I cant believe Tecumseh gave this new company permission to use the Snow king sticker on those engine's. It does such a dis-service to real Tecumseh engines and will give real Tecumseh's a bad name for the many uneducated consumers that don't know the difference. Real Tecumseh engines are so much better than these jokers. My engines all have throttles, who wants to hear that thing running full blast when you walk away from it to clear off the car or when someone comes over to talk to you, you have to shut the engine down, rather than just lower the throttle to talk and than have to re-start the engine, ridiculous. Those engines are hard to start? Well that's no good, commercial snow removal doesn't give you access to a cord, so I guess, pulling and pulling until your arms falls off is the only option? I have Tecumseh winter engines from the 60's that start on one pull and they don't even have primers. LCT, what a joke....
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Absent the obvious merits of a throttle the lack of one is purely economic at the engines price point it being bare bones.
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Agreed that a throttle is nice to have. As to whether you should buy the kit for your engine, that's a question of how much the kit costs, what it's worth to you, etc.

For most usage patterns, I would imagine the lack of a throttle is not that big a deal. I try to start mine at half-throttle now, so the RPM stays more moderate when the engine is cold. I raise it as I'm turning off the choke, after the oil has at least been splashing around, etc. Maybe it's slightly easier on the engine, though I doubt it makes any sort of meaningful difference.

Yes, I'll throttle down when I stop to move something out of the way, or otherwise won't be clearing for a bit. And I like that ability. But if it's easy to restart at that point, you could simply shut it off, and give it a tug to restart it. Or if that's going to be a pain, just let it run, it's not the end of the world.

DriverRider, I know what you mean that it points to reducing costs on the engine. But at the same time, a lot of mowers no longer have throttles. And a lot of single-stage blowers don't have throttles either, including even a lot of the Hondas, I believe. So it doesn't necessarily mean the engine is junk or anything.

Cost is almost certainly a factor, yes. But I'd imagine that some of it (even if it's just the marketing explanation) is also trying to simplify things for users who don't know, or care, about such things. It's one less lever they need to worry about setting correctly. And you won't annoy them because the engine eventually stalls when running at an idle that's too low.

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I agree with Fearless Front, who wants to hear an engine running full blast. You will probably not be able to adapt a throttle.

I also agree with DriverRider it's stupid economics.

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At work, I use a Husqvarna 12527HV with an LCT 291cc Snow King engine. When it hasn't been run in a while, I have to use the electric start otherwise I would collapse from pulling and pulling and pulling......

I also have to say, while the starter is cranking the engine over, there is a lot of clanking and noise coming from the engine. Once it starts, it's fine.

Due to the fact that it is a hard starter when cold, I can't say that I had a good first impression with the LCT engine. There is NO throttle - just wide open all of the time. Sometimes I do wish that I could throttle it back when I have to step away but don't want to shut it down.

With two seasons under my belt now, this machine has grown on me, and I actually like using it. Once the engine warms up, it's a great runner with power to spare.

In a previous thread about possibly re-powering with an LCT 414cc engine - a suggestion to get a throttle kit was mentioned.

I have also ordered one of the LCT 414cc engines to have on hand because of such a reasonable price.
LCT Snow King Series 414CC PW2HK191250781DE 12.5 HP Winter Engine

But they don't come with a throttle kit. I was wondering what a throttle kit was until I looked at the Ariens AX engine. "Ah, so that's the throttle control!"

I am not interested in updating my boss' Husqvarna but when I re-power something with this new LCT 414, the question is: To add a throttle or not?

Does it really matter? Is it worth it? Does the engine suffer without it? etc.....
advertising??? I don't know, but if you put that engine in your shopping cart on the website you linked to this is what you get.

Order Totals
Item Cost Subtotal $ 339.90
UPS Ground Residential Shipping: $ 150.48

Grand Total: $ 490.38

What happened to the $169.95 price???


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advertising??? I don't know, but if you put that engine in your shopping cart on the website you linked to this is what you get.

Order Totals
Item Cost Subtotal $ 339.90
UPS Ground Residential Shipping: $ 150.48

Grand Total: $ 490.38

What happened to the $169.95 price???
You had quantity 2, cut the prices in half including shipping, shipping would be $75.

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the links above include a session ID (on accident I'm sure) and I've asked the mods to replace it with a generic one like
https://www.smallenginesuppliers.com...gines1817.html
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For what it's worth you can get a shipping quote by putting in just your zip code in the check-out.. For me in Utah it was $66 for the 90 lb 414CC.

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For LCT engines, if you want a throttle which costs approx. $80.00 for the kit just call LCT and ask for Gary to have the part numbers I believe at Jacks small engines.....

For the person having the LCT 291cc, do you prime it at least 3 to 4 times before you crank?
And forget about the naysayers on these engine as they have a very good reputation which Ariens chose to put on their snowblowers line up.

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For the person having the LCT 291cc, do you prime it at least 3 to 4 times before you crank?
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Today, before I left work, I went to the Husqvarna/LCT in question and primed it 3 times before pulling the cord - nothing. I primed two more times - nothing. I primed 3 more times and it started. So a total of 8 primes.

As far as the LCT reputation, I still think they are good engines and won't hesitate to recommend them. As I mentioned above, after two snow seasons, I do enjoy using the machine.

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