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Question New Predator 212 or Used Honda GX160?

I bought a used Honda HS621 from CL for my sister. I got it home and I found a hole in the engine block. So now I'm debating the Predator 212 (from Harbor Freight) or an ebay used GX160 (from an HS621). I read that the Predators have a higher failure rate than the Hondas but, I'd be buying a used Honda engine.
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Also, how hard is it to change out all of the carb and fuel stuff on the Predator? I read that's the way to get it to work in the HS621. My level of skill, I can the oil and spark plugs and managed to remove the HS621 engine.

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Predator212 engines actually have a very good reputation, Id be interested to see how it fits and performs on an HS621 as Im planning on putting a Honda GX200 engine on a Honda HS621
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I'd go with the predator. A 160cc engine is pretty small. A brand new 212 seems like a better idea.
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I'd also lean towards the Predator, all things equal. Good reputation, and bigger displacement for more power.

But, keep in mind that this is a 21" single-stage machine, and the engine seems to live tucked inside the blower's housing. It's not sitting perched on top, like a typical 2-stage. So there may be more concerns with fit, interference, etc. And while I agree that 160cc seems small for a blower, that has to be weighed against the type & size of machine that it is.

The Honda engines have a great reputation, I wouldn't worry too much about buying used. The GX160 from an HS621 will be an easier swap, presumably everything would just line up and drop in. The Predator may be a bigger project, if things don't fit. The far-simpler approach is just to get the GX160, and use the blower happily, vs getting into a possibly bigger undertaking with the Predator.

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Didn't realize it was a single stage. Go with the Honda for an easy drop in. It's for your sister anyway.
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go with the predator. imo just as good quality as a honda
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Predator 212 will not go on that single stage ...
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Predator 212 will not go on that single stage ...
it will fit no problem. honda gx200, predator 212cc and gx160 all share the same dimensions
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That's good to know, thanks! The Predator will still be set up for summer use, however, with an air filter, etc, and may run a little lean in cold conditions. It may need a bit of tweaking to be happier in the cold weather. And most snowblower engines don't use air filters, as they can freeze up and clog, if they suck in some snow.

I still think going with the GX160 is the simple & safe option. It's for your sister, you want it to just work, and not be a hassle. If the Predator engine starts surging in cold weather due to running a little lean, as an example, it's going to be more of a hassle for everyone to deal with. It's not like this is your own secondary blower, where if it has trouble, it's already at your house, and you just switch to your main one. Using an identical engine should be your best chance for it just working.

Edit- Also, you'd have the blown GX160 as spare parts for the used GX160, if needed. Like for a replacement carburetor, etc.

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Put it this way, I would not put a 212 on a Honda HS621 .... But you can do anything if you spend enough time at it.
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