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Engine clones.

I'm seeing many a mention Honda engine clones and the term "GX". Are all the Chinese engines we are seeing on the main brands these days Honda engine clones? And in particular GX clones?

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I'm seeing many a mention Honda engine clones and the term "GX". Are all the Chinese engines we are seeing on the main brands these days Honda engine clones? And in particular GX clones?

*pardon my engine ignorance.
I guess the word to live and die by is if does not say Honda on it. then it is 1 that has been copied from Honda.

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Clones might not be totally accurate . . . Part interchangeability between a Honda and a 'no-name' brand would be an indication if the engine were 'cloned' (i.e. copied) from the Honda series of engines.

Most of these engines are pretty similar in their design . . . so who's to say what is a clone and what is an original

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Like Power said, if it has Honda on it, good chance it is (lol, not 1000% guaranteed) . If it does not, then it is some other brand. People call anything other than the original a clone when it resembles the characters of the original. I would assume some of their parts are pretty much interchangeable, possibly even coming from the same source?
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I would assume some of their parts are pretty much interchangeable, possibly even coming from the same source?
They might be intechangeable, but they are not from the same source. The Chinese criminals (opps, I mean "manufacturers") who make the cloned engines and parts start with a real Honda engine, take it apart, then copy/clone literally every part..then create and sell whole engines that are copies of the Honda engine. (Although severly lacking in the original Honda quality control.) The cloned parts are made by the criminals (opps, I mean "manufacturers"), while the genine Honda parts are made by Honda

There are Chinese criminals (opps, I mean "companys") cloning entire cars! Of couse it's illegal in civilized countrys, but the Chinese governent looks the other way, because its good for the Chinese economy.

This story is over a decade old, but its still going on, worse than ever:

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...the-honda-cr-v

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Clones might not be totally accurate . . . Part interchangeability between a Honda and a 'no-name' brand would be an indication if the engine were 'cloned' (i.e. copied) from the Honda series of engines.

Most of these engines are pretty similar in their design . . . so who's to say what is a clone and what is an original
Many parts are interchangeable, even the internals like connecting rods. It's a complete knock off.

Let me tell ya something, I have a friend that makes high precision high performance parts for high performance engines. He has five axis CNCs, CNC Lathes, Multiple Bridgeports, etc... He's a real operation, not some slack off 1/2 assed backyard hobby.

He says he can send drawings to China, get back a prototype inside a week, with quality as good as he can do in his shop. Point is, just because it's a "knock off" or "made in China" does NOT necessarily mean it's junk. From what I've learned about these engines, if the parts are interchangeable, the quality can be, and probably is, very similar to the original engine that was copied, and could be better.

Too bad these "knock offs" don't come from the factory as snow versions.
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Was not aware that Honda produced in house all there parts down to there nuts and screws. Most Corporations outsource many parts.

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They might be intechangeable, but they are not from the same source. The Chinese criminals (opps, I mean "manufacturers") who make the cloned engines and parts start with a real Honda engine, take it apart, then copy/clone literally every part..then create and sell whole engines that are copies of the Honda engine. (Although severly lacking in the original Honda quality control.) The cloned parts are made by the criminals (opps, I mean "manufacturers"), while the genine Honda parts are made by Honda

There are Chinese criminals (opps, I mean "companys") cloning entire cars! Of couse it's illegal in civilized countrys, but the Chinese governent looks the other way, because its good for the Chinese economy.

This story is over a decade old, but its still going on, worse than ever:

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...the-honda-cr-v

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Unless it's patented, it's open to be copied. I agree on you with the ethics of doing it, but "criminal"? In which case Harbor Freight is "criminal" for selling them.

As far as QC goes, you'd be surprised of the quality you can get out of China. Just because it's Made In China does not automatically means it's junk anymore. Iphones are Made In China, the computer you type on, your TV, etc...

The QC in China can be very good. What is eliminated is the Honda Tax. (like a boat tax or Corvette tax) We see what can be made for how much money without that tax.
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If the engine does not match a specific product's requirements, it may not perform to optimum level, and MAY EVEN BE DANGEROUS!!!

Oh the drama. If you don't pay a Honda tax, you and your family may be killed by this engine! C'mon.

They are saying it's so close the only way to tell is the serial number, but not so close it will kill you!

For the record, I am not supporting badging these things as Hondas to collect the Honda tax, that's just wrong. But "KILL YOU"
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