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Similar engines to honda, harbor freight.

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These are engines that are available locally up here in Quebec and I was wondering if they are the same as the harbor freight popular engine? They all look like honda knockoffs.
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Harbor Freight Predators are Loncin's. Many modern Toro's sold today also use Loncin engines.
There are a handful of Chinese Honda clone manufactures. Lifan is another popular one.
The slang term chonda is often used as a reference to China manufactured Honda clones.
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Be careful with those cheap "Chinese knock off" engines. You get what you pay for. Have fun getting parts for them and if they even run from new is another story.
Have fun finding parts for them when they break.
If you want reliability and longevity, plus quality, stay away from them.
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Be careful with those cheap "Chinese knock off" engines. You get what you pay for. Have fun getting parts for them and if they even run from new is another story.
Have fun finding parts for them when they break.
If you want reliability and longevity, plus quality, stay away from them.
Yeah that's what I was thinking. If I ever do a engine swap I'll try to stick with honda or a b&s.
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I've got Harbor Freight engines from the 90's that are still running well on cranberry equipment....the ones they sold before the Greyhound and Predator engines. All the parts are the same as Hondas....I've swapped parts between them and Hondas with no problems. On my personal go to blower, an ST 824 Ariens, I took a used engine from one of my harvesters and repowered the blower with the 6.5 Chondra in 03. It's been running flawlessly since then with the Chondra. If I have any issues with it that goes beyond a carb cleaning, I'll buy a Predator for $99 and keep going for another 20 years.....the only people I've seen negative about the Chinese engines seem to be people that haven't owned one. I just had delivered a couple of 208 cc Chinese snow engines that originally were made for MTD blowers for $79 delivered from E-bay. I mounted one on a 73 Ariens and am very pleased with it.
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The Naysayers Most likely have Never Used a Predator. Great Bang for the Buck. Parts are Readily Available on the Evil Site.
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i used one of those 196cc princess auto engines on my ariens and it seemed to do pretty decent. good engines for the price. a lot cheaper than buying a new snowblower. just have to know how to start them in the cold. full choke full throttle and they usually start in a pull or 2 and if you are that picky you could probably find yourself a winter carb with the thing on it to add a primer. personally i found my machine always started on the first or 2nd pull. the only issue i ever really had was sometimes the governor linkage would freeze up if i didn't cover it when done using it.

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The 99.00 Predator has been doing me great for 6 years now ... I like it better than my B&S.


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Oddly enough, the predator engines are ALMOST complete clones of Honda’s.

There are TRUE Honda clones that are pretty much identical with obviously lesser quality components. These engines are typically a bit more money then the predators.

That being said, I’m a big fan of the predator motors. I see it as Certain applications deserve a Honda, and others fair perfectly with a clone.

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Most of your "Naysayers" have had a lot of bad experience with the clone engines, expecting them to do as good or last like the Honda, so they have quite a lot more experience with the clones than people think.
Back in the 90's Honda licensed a China company to build the GC series engine along with some other series. The China Honda motors had a lot of problems and parts weren't exactly the same due to manufacturing tolenances. The Honda tolerances were much more exact. Because of the poor quality of the engines and the "stealing" of the trademark parts and engines, Honda cancelled the contract with the China companies that were making the engines.

If you used a Honda part in a clone motor you could have a problem with it, maybe not right away, but you could still have a problem in the future, especially if the engine was used hard or commercially. I remember when working for a Honda dealership, the parts we ordered were by the country of manufacture of the engine, meaning there was a difference in the part fitment.

Granted, a lot of the parts fit the Honda motor, but if one failed, you had a worthless motor. Since the clone motors were 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of the genuine Honda motor, you weren't out much money when the engine died.

Honda had sued in court the makers of a lot of the clone motors and had won parts of their case. The clone makers were at that time using the Honda name on their engines. They had to remove the Honda name and weren't allowed to use the Honda red color, but because China laws are different from USA laws, that was all that would change. There are no "Copyright" laws in China like there are in the USA, so not too much could be done about it. The Federal Trade Commision had got involved and was going to ban the import of those engines until they made some changes, like removing the Honda name and changing the colors of the engines so they weren't confused with the Honda motor.
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