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Anyone tried a 220V starter on 120V ??

Searching Ebay for a replacement engine I came across a few engines (LCT) that have European 220 volt starters with the odd (to us) European plug. Has anyone tried running one of these on 120 volts ??

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You would only be using one "Hot" leg instead of the two. You will have less power to turn it over and can burn it out quicker with low voltage than you would with high voltage.
The 220 volt has two hot legs in the USA, with it returning via the opposite leg which alternates back and forth 60 times a second, instead of going to neutral, or ground. To do the switch over, you would use the one wire as hot and the other would be a neutral return to ground. The 220 here returns through the opposite hot leg instead of the neutral ground, that is why 220 doesn't use a neutral, it would use a "Chassis Ground" if anything that goes to "Earth", as in an earth ground. Most fuse boxes the neutral is grounded to earth inside the fuse panel.
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I don't think you want to use 120 VAC to power a 220VAC starter motor.

It might be an interesting exercise to find out if that starter motor has adjustable taps on it so that by moving a wire or two, it might be convertible to 120VAC operation.

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Searching Ebay for a replacement engine I came across a few engines (LCT) that have European 220 volt starters with the odd (to us) European plug. Has anyone tried running one of these on 120 volts ??

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Don't do it. I can tell you we have had single phase, three phase and for a while 2 phase current in various voltages in different parts of the country. Each is wired differently both in power distribution and equipment. I can tell you at one time I bought a 3 HP motor that came with a 110v plug on it. It took 2-3 seconds to know something was very wrong with it when I plugged it in. While the motor was a dual voltage (could be configured for 110 or 220 single phase) it was configured as a 220v motor but had a 110v plug on it (yes I should have opened it up first to check it, but I wanted to see it run so I skipped that step at the time). It never even got close to coming up to speed on 110v and immediately smelled something and I pulled the plug as fast as I could. Luckily I didn't burn it up but if left connected longer it could have.
I have no idea how European voltage compares to US, but IIRC I did read once where someone wrote regarding power tools that European voltage was higher than here plus some other differences.

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You'll be mismatched on voltage and frequency. European power is 50Hz, ours is 60. Admittedly running on a slightly higher frequency is easier on the motor than the opposite.


The voltage could be corrected with a transformer but you are quickly getting out of hand unless you have one lying around. Finding that the motor has configurable taps as mentioned is also a remote possibility. You could run 2 motors in series.


For those committed to adding a starter a 12VDC starter and adding an onboard battery can be the easier path.



Remember that any creative solution also needs to tolerate the snow, ice, cold and water.


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Get a cheap replacement 110V starter unit as noted in the link in post 4. Or you could just run a 240V line to wherever the snowblower sits. It should work OK for the short duration of engine starting.
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Although I have 240 out in the garage for the welder I was trying to rack my brain on if it was possible to rewire the the European starter to work on 120. Something along the lines of cutting the leads to the brushes and re-configuring them. I just can't remember what I learned decades ago about electricity. I keep thinking I should know how to do this or why it isn't possible.
Don't want to add an outlet to the 240v for just one snowblower as I'm not sure if this one will be a keeper.
Not worth a transformer as I'd just use the money to buy the right 120v starter.
The 12v starter is an option if I wanted to mount a battery. Haven't thought to research if this engine has a 12v option but it seems it should.
The reason I asked the question is I just didn't want to waste the 220 starter but the reason I need an engine is I have one with a broken CR and ventilated crankcase that I can just take the starter off and use.

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The winding count will be the determining factor, so unless you want to rewind it, I don't think any other option is available to you . . .
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