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Snow Melting and forming ice at bottom of inclined driveway...

First, my new (and first and only) Ariens 24" Deluxe snow blower has certainly been up to the task for Long Islands first two major snow storms of 2015, ....Juno and now the snow and ice tonight! Chops through everything...high snow drifts and frozen snow! Talk about the right tool for the job! Highest possible ratings to Arien!

One question...I have a long driveway on an incline. At the end of the driveway it meets the road (obviously). Every year we have a wide frozen ice patch across the entire entrance of the driveway from melting ice and rain.

Is there anything I can put in it (or do) that will prevent the water collection, or minimally prevent the freezing into ice? The various salts don't prevent the water from hardening to ice.

Any input would be appreciated.

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One question...I have a long driveway on an incline. At the end of the driveway it meets the road (obviously). Every year we have a wide frozen ice patch across the entire entrance of the driveway from melting ice and rain.

Is there anything I can put in it (or do) that will prevent the water collection, or minimally prevent the freezing into ice? The various salts don't prevent the water from hardening to ice.
Glad you are making good with your Ariens, I have experience with excess water management but it is very hard to comment without being there in person to see it but to dig deeper you are saying the water source at the end is from rainwater dropping on the laneway only? And the problem arises from rain only or from the adjacent area possibly from the edge of asphalt to the grass? At the road end where it meets the street is there a concrete curb or just asphalt to asphalt?
What in your opinion is making the water to pool up the width of your laneway? I might be able to offer a solution when you answer the questions. Good Luck

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If you have a relatively smooth surface (asphalt or concrete), you may want to get a floor squeegee (similar to a push broom but with a squeegee instead of a broom head) and use it to push the water off the driveway in that area before it freezes. A floor squeegee is about 3 ft wide.

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Calcium chloride is the most expensive ice melt but it should keep any water from refreezing.
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Maybe a little drainage, to the low side of course like a narrow trench that you can make sure is clear during melting. If it's pavement everywhere that's an issue, should have been graded with a slight slant.

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Thanks for the responses.

There is a curb, and there is concrete everywhere. It's not just rain that is causing the water and ice to build up. The snow is pushed, via the town snow plows cleaning the street, to both sides of the driveway, on top of the grass on both sides of the driveway. The melting snow then goes down into the bottom of the driveway where it meets the street. That area, where you enter the driveway, is slightly lower than both the driveway apron and the street...probably a problem from the original build of the house nearly 60 years ago. For me to do any work on the driveway apron is probably not going to happen. I can live with the water,...it's the ice that it freezes into that I'd like to eliminate. If Calcium Chorlide will prevent the water from freezing, that might do it. Although, I've tried that at least one or twice before, and I don't beleive it did prevent the water from freezing. I could use a squeegie to push the accumulated water away, but the snow is going to just melt some more and then accumulate there again, so that is not a long term solution either.

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You will have that problem many times if you don't want to do some work where your driveway meets the street apron.
I can offer a quick fix and not too hard work, I would assume the driveway is probably approx. 1" deeper so with this in mind you could take a strong long bar and just chip at the higher portion about 2" wide and just enough so the water flows in the gutter, this should be done where most of the water converges or if need be a couple chip spots. This is assuming the deeper part of your driveway can flow to an even deeper part of the apron.
I have other ideas but this is the most simple and long term remedy.
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The most obvious solutions (just saying what, not how) would be to keep the water from getting there, or to give it some place to go.

If calcium chloride won't melt it (supposedly something like a -25f melt point) or if it takes too much to do the job, you may want to at least toss sand on it to make it a little less slippery.

Just a band-aid, but it could make things less dangerous until you can get to a proper solution.

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