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anyone install an Arnold Light Kit 490-241-0009 ?

I've seen the LED thread which is really great but I was wondering if this might get me what I need with less fiddling? I was hoping just to light up the area directly in front of the snowthrower, I don't need to light up the street.

I have a new CC 3x which comes with one of those unfortunately placed lights. I have not installed hand warmers so I should have some available electricity to work with.

The kit seems to have gotten bad reviews, but it appears that there are either bad bulbs or user error and mis-matching the kit with too much power.

anybody have experience with this light kit?
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I'm guessing when you say "mis-matching the kit with too much power" you actually found where it was installed and it gave dim light due to not enough power from the engine. Some engines will only run a smaller incandescent bulb and it's all they can run. When you step up to something like this headlight you are running at 55 watts and it can be dim as the engine can't produce enough electricity to run it. Or added to hand warmers you again are trying to pull more than the engine produces and you end up with a dim light and cold hands.

Do you know what the engine produces as in amps or wattage
If not, what exact MTD do you have and what are the engine numbers ??


Arnold Model #: 490-241-0009

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For some lights like this there is an option for a 35 or 25 watt replacement. They can be found on Ebay or are motorcycle applications. It's usually a "H3" bulb but I don't know for sure on this headlight. That way you have the nice housing but might need to go with a less bright bulb to stay within the specs of what the engine can handle.
A 25 watt bulb would be brighter running at 25 watts than the stock 55 watt bulb would be driven at less than 55 watts.

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I don't know how much power its putting out, it's a Cub Cadet
3X 26-Inch 31AH55TA (I posted under MTD because of the lamp kit). It has a 357 engine and here's a link to the manual for the engine:

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/pdf...bdc5fff4df.pdf

some of the reviews mention that bulbs blew within seconds, so I was wondering if it was a problem with some engines kicking out too much for the spec'd lamp.

http://www.amazon.com/Arnold-490-241-0009-Alternators-Discontinued-Manufacturer/product-reviews/B002DH157A
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In most cases the light or whatever it is using the power has a certain resistance (ohms) and that's what limits how much power goes through the circuit. BUT . . . if the voltage does climb enough over the designed operating range then you do get more amps pushed through the circuit by that higher than designed voltage and something can pop or burn out.

Think of the power a cars starter motor pulls compared to a brake light. They both work off the same battery but the reason the starter draws more power out of the same source (battery) is lower resistance.

A snow blower is a bit different as some will put out both AC, like a house and DC like a car. It might be the AC value did exceed the bulbs operating range. That is beyond my knowledge presently as I haven't studied the exact operation of a small engines system. I only recently became aware of small engines putting out both AC and DC together. I've always worked on riding mower systems that had regulators for charging batteries so there was a regulator in the system like a car.

The manual you linked is just generic operation info. Didn't see anything on the headlight or headlight circuit.
I'll looked up the engine and it should be a 438-SUB. I can't find the specs. The headlight bulb is a 925-1629 but I can't find a picture of it or it's specs either

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I did find some specs on the installed lamp, it looks like the 925-1629 is a 1141



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1141 USA - incandescent - miniature lamp light bulb lamp - donsbulbs - light bulbs lamps valve valves tube tubes

so.. if the Arnold/MTD kit comes with a similarly spec'd lamp it might work?

12.8v
1.44amp
18.4watts
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another thought..... if it doesn't ship with similar lamp, I could get a bayonet base and use the same 1141?

Any problem running 2 lamps at the same time, the stock lamp and the new one? I won't install hand warmers.
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this is what happens you do too much searching on the net, you find somebody that turned a stator into a lamp.... it could have been a snowthrower project that went bad




I ordered one of the lamp kits, it will be interesting to see what type of lamp ships with it.
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this is what happens you do too much searching on the net, you find somebody that turned a stator into a lamp.... it could have been a snowthrower project that went bad




I ordered one of the lamp kits, it will be interesting to see what type of lamp ships with it.
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I did run across the 1141 but wasn't sure if it was the crossover. I expected to see a halogen plug in rather than an "old school" bayonet base bulb. The newer machines seem to be going to the automotive fog light bulbs. They're halogen and are in the 800 series of bulbs.
Usually I do calculations at 12 volts. Some bulbs are rated at 12 some 12.4 some ....
I get technical but not that technical. So having said that the following numbers are close enough.

That stock bulb uses 1.44 amps or 18.4 watts at 12.8 volts. The bulb in the headlight kit uses almost three times as much. It's 55 watts or close to 5 amps.

The question is: does the engine produce enough power (amps or watts) to run it ??
Some only put out enough to run that 18 watt light. Some have a 36 watt / 3 amp circuit and some have more to do a headlight and hand warmers. In most cases they are newer models designed for snow blowers with hand warmers or the option to add them or they are older and the engine was shared with riding lawnmowers needing to run lights, an electric PTO and charge a battery.
You might want to ask MTD's customer service or tech assistance how much electrical power that engine puts out. That way you know for sure what you have to work with and how big or how many you can run off your engine.

The limited generating systems is why a lot of guys go to LEDs. They are other reasons but with LED's you can get more illumination, or lumens is the measurement from the same amount of power used (amps/watts). It's also a way to get light with hand warmers when you don't have the power to do both with incandescent lighting due to the load needed.

Only problem I have with LEDs is the lack of heat to keep the bulb clear of the snow settling out of the inevitable blow back you get in your face.

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