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'Predator' engine question(s)..

I've looked and researched a bit. but still not completely clear...
Knock on wood, my 95 toro is still ticking, and running great.

That said, every time I see anyone replacing an engine, it's with a predator.
Obviously a great product with great prices.

Questions are, is 'predator' the company name?
They clearly dominate the market with great 'plug and play' engines it seems for all makes and models.

Being a gear head car wise, never seen one/ or such a dominant item for all makes/models.

Feedback greatly appreciated, as again, knock on wood, my 95 Toro is a beast.
If/when it comes time, seems like predator is THE way (only way?) to go.

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I believe Loncin makes the engines, at least the 212cc one. They are rebranded under many different names! My Generac generator has a 212cc version, and it runs great with 70 hours on it.

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Predator is just the trade name for the Harbor Freight engines. There are other companies making them too. They are basically just fake Hondas. Their original engine was named Greyhound and supplied by Lifan. Now they are called Predator and supplied by Lincoln. (Not the welder guys.)

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They aren't actually designed for cold weather, but they still work well. Another company in Canada (Princess Auto) has their own line called Power Fist. Some of those are set up for cold weather when you buy them.

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The go-kart scene runs the heck out of these, they mod them and they hold up very well.

Check out OMB warehouse, and gokartusa to get a feel for how far they go. They are Honda clones, but seems to be done with durability. The 212cc pretty much rules the budget end of the go kart world and they run them sometimes above 5000rpm after the mods.

For us, just an inexpensive and good running engine, that's efficient and has a very good powerband.

They need rejet (pretty easy)for cold weather, and some home made shrouding is a good idea.

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Now they are called Predator and supplied by Lincoln. (Not the welder guys.)
I pretty sure it's Loncin that makes them, not Lincoln.

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I pretty sure it's Loncin that makes them, not Lincoln.
Oh yea, that sounds more like it. I heard it is the same company making engines for Toro.

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yup, they make the engines for all the toro single stages as far as I know
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I've looked and researched a bit. but still not completely clear...
Knock on wood, my 95 toro is still ticking, and running great.

That said, every time I see anyone replacing an engine, it's with a predator.
Obviously a great product with great prices.

Questions are, is 'predator' the company name?
They clearly dominate the market with great 'plug and play' engines it seems for all makes and models.

Being a gear head car wise, never seen one/ or such a dominant item for all makes/models.

Feedback greatly appreciated, as again, knock on wood, my 95 Toro is a beast.
If/when it comes time, seems like predator is THE way (only way?) to go.

Tnx
if it's the 6.5HP Pred. engine you are considering, I'd not go that route. HP is HP, and a Tec. or Briggs 8HP is a superior, more powerful engine- from the sheer power aspect- if your machine is so equipped you'd be far ahead just rebuilding the original engine. Better yet a Briggs or Tec. 10HP.

the only sensible use I can see for a Predator 6.5HP engine, would be to repower something with less power than that originally.

otherwise, what's the sense in it ? in other words if someone has a Unitrol with 8HP which I consider entry level for a large machine, bolting on a Predator loses 1.5HP so yes it costs cheap but it lost HP too, basically paying 100 bucks to lose 1.5HP or about 19% loss.

if I could make an analogy...if you had a Dodge Ram truck with a 350HP engine V8, and the garage said we'll pull that out, and put in an offshore Chinese made V8 for less that only makes 284HP, who in their right mind would do it ? these engine swap decisions are being made on the cost basis alone, and they are not sound decisions. what I see is a fear in many to take an engine apart, re-ring it, and bolt the head back on, and the Predator seems to be the easy, darest I say lazy way out ?

yet this is what I see many doing with their power equipment...and it makes no logical sense to me. for $100 you can practically rebuild a Briggs or Tec. engine with new rings, gaskets, carb kit and have money left over. If the original piston, bore, and rod are good, it's an easy job.

if the Predator was a 10HP engine, then all bets are off, because at that point it would be a win-win, lower cost with more power. But then there's the durability issue, and I seriously doubt any Predator engine will be running 50 years from now, like these old Tec. and Briggs engines still are. Reason being, the old American metallurgy was far superior. The engines can be rebuilt almost indefinitely. The alloys used were harder, stronger, better. the offshore engines are cutting corners there and using softer alloys with less heat treat to cut costs.

another major hurdle is, getting everything to line up with the belts and controls. it's just so much easier to bolt in the original engine with fresh rings and rebuilt carb, and it goes right back in and connects.

to make another analogy, if you took your Chevy to the garage, and the mechanic said he can put the SAME power level engine in, using a Honda engine, but nothing lined up, so he had to jury rig everything, would you do it ? doubtful...

just my 2 cents on the matter




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