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New 2016 M1227E vs. New 2017 M1530E

I'm in the market for a new snowblower and like the features that Simplicity offer. I have a less specific thread in the General Forum section. Each of these Simplicitys are on the two different dealer's floor as new with the 3-year warranty. I realize that these are two different size models, one with an 11.50 ft-lb engine with a 27" bucket and the other with a 14.50 ft-lb engine with a 30" bucket. The models numbers are 1696235-03 (third version of the M1227E) and 1696832 -00 (first version of the M1530E).

Besides the 3" difference in width and 3 ft-lb of torque, the M1227E was assembled in the USA and the other in China. The M1227E (assembled 06/13/2016) also has the gear transmission as opposed to the friction wheel in the M1530E(assembled 09/01/2017). The price difference between them is $450.00 as the M1227E is discounted $150.00. For the extra cost I get LED lights and heated hand grips along with more power and clearing width but lose the electric rotation.

I don't know if it makes a difference as to where it was assembled. I realize that both engines are sourced from China but I was unaware that Simplicity was now assembling complete units in China. My main concern is the gear transmission vs. the friction wheel. Did the gear transmission get changed due to problems or as a cost saving measure. I haven't been able to find any information on it. I am leaning towards saving money with the M1227E - unless the transmission is an issue.

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Friction wheel transmissions have been around a long time. Done right, they are durable. I personally LOVE the electric chute control, and the heated grips. That's a tough choice.
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A wider machine can be bulky to use. Electric rotation more things to go wrong. Rubber friction disks can last 30+years, simple to repair and cheap, $15 for a disk. Transmissions can leak and fail and are costly to repair but nice to have no step gears if that is it.

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A wider machine can be bulky to use. Electric rotation more things to go wrong. Rubber friction disks can last 30+years, simple to repair and cheap, $15 for a disk. Transmissions can leak and fail and are costly to repair but nice to have no step gears if that is it.

I agree with that 100%. All this hype over hydro-static transmissions is over played. The ONLY real advantage is to be able to change speeds without stopping, and that isn't all that important to me. When using my blower I never said, "I wish I could go slightly faster than two, but not as fast as three" but that's just me.


I certainly wouldn't make that a primary decision feature.
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A wider machine can be bulky to use. Electric rotation more things to go wrong. Rubber friction disks can last 30+years, simple to repair and cheap, $15 for a disk. Transmissions can leak and fail and are costly to repair but nice to have no step gears if that is it.

I agree with that 90%. All this hype over hydro-static transmissions is over played. The ONLY real advantage is to be able to change speeds without stopping, and that isn't all that important to me. When using my blower I never said, "I wish I could go slightly faster than two, but not as fast as three" but that's just me.


I certainly wouldn't make that a primary decision feature.


The electric chute controls are GREAT, when coupled with heated grips, you never take your warm hands off the wheel.


To the OP, maybe get the machine with the electric controls, and add heated grips. It's cheap and easy, and there's plenty of 12v sources on these machines to pull from.
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A wider machine can be bulky to use. Electric rotation more things to go wrong. Rubber friction disks can last 30+years, simple to repair and cheap, $15 for a disk. Transmissions can leak and fail and are costly to repair but nice to have no step gears if that is it.
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friction wheel is cheap and easy to change, cheap enough to keep one, as one of a few items i keep in stock along with belts and a spark plug for emergency repairs,
good luck with whichever you choose
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just try to understand both are now discontinued models, even with full warranties sold by dealers, personally i would be to say GUN SHY

looking them up, i see both have friction disc drive https://www.snowblowersdirect.com/Si...wer/p8719.html

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Friction disc drive with 6 forward and 2 reverse speeds

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Dual-trigger steering releases either wheel to make turning easy other wise better known as power steering
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I agree with that 100%. All this hype over hydro-static transmissions is over played. The ONLY real advantage is to be able to change speeds without stopping, and that isn't all that important to me. When using my blower I never said, "I wish I could go slightly faster than two, but not as fast as three" but that's just me.

I certainly wouldn't make that a primary decision feature.
I need to correct the perception about the M1227E transmission. It is not a hydro transmission but a 6 Fwd-2 Rev geared traction transmission. Was it a problem so it was replaced with a friction wheel? I have only found one reference in this forum with regards to this transmission. A "bolt" comes undone internally at times???

With regards of being discontinued, parts are available and I find it common with dealers the need to order in July in order to stock units anticipating the season. My area is very hit-or-miss so it happens.

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Well, the beauty of being retired is that I can spend time doing research. The Parts Manual for the M1227E gives the transmission part number as 1733972YP. That said, I found a YouTube video by "donyboy73" about this transmission. It is made by General Transmissions and is a non-serviceable part. Checking parts suppliers the replacement part cost varies between $398.60-$446.43, depending on the supplier. I think that I will skip the M1227E!


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Well, the beauty of being retired is that I can spend time doing research. The Parts Manual for the M1227E gives the transmission part number as 1733972YP. That said, I found a YouTube video by "donyboy73" about this transmission. It is made by General Transmissions and is a non-serviceable part. Checking parts suppliers the replacement part cost varies between $398.60-$446.43, depending on the supplier. I think that I will skip the M1227E!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SWmQFtM8SY



The exact reason I didn't get one, and have no desire for one. I think there's two, maybe three, manufacturers of these transmissions that everyone uses. Could be wrong.


The replacement costs of those things is horrific. Think about this, it's one of the few parts you use 100% of the time you are blowing.
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