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Not shitfting correctly

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To get it to go in reverse I have to shift it up to the highspeed forward and them back down into reverse then the reverse gear will catch...but I only have highspeed reverse not the slower one
and when I put it into forward (slow setting) it is in a much higher speed so it really does not go in the slower forward speeds

I have it in the service position now and I see (using the gear shifter) when change some of the speed/direction settings, that the friction disc does not always move it will move for some of the faster forward settings but if I go back into reverse and change between the 2 reverse positions the friction wheel does not move at all
I also I notice I can move the friction disc back and forth with my finger and is just slides across the hex axle it moves freely as if the gear shifter doesn't need to be moved at all

I am in the process of replacing the Friction disc but am not certain this is going to fix my shifting issues

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Clean and relube the hex shaft the friction wheel slides on first....
Than look to see where the " play " is in the shifter linkage. It's probably just adjusted incorrectly. Possibly depending on the age / past usage it might have worn or elongated pivot holes on shift linkages that need to be repaired. Start there first and see what your results are and post up the information. Good luck !!

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I have replaced the Friction disc . Everything is cleaned and greased. I noticed that the disc (and carrier/bearing) unit has a lot of slop to it I can move it back and forth with my fingers about 1/2 inch in either direction in all speed/direction settings except Fast Forward. I still have the same shifting issues and I speculate it is due to this slop. The forks appear to be firmly connected to the rod and the internal rod end is seated . When I wiggle the disc the rod moved moves slightly but that slight movement translates to the slop I have described at the friction disc . This seems to have started when the original "pin" that secured the external linkage shoe to the external end of the shifting rod broke. I used a cotter pin to reconnect the shoe to the rod and that cotter pin was skinnier than the holes but it still kept everything held back together. I felt this permitted the rod to move slightly in the shoe . This year I have replaced that cotter pin with a screw and nut that is just about the same diameter as the holes..... but I still observe this slight left/right rod movement when I wiggle the friction disc as you look at the end of the rod in the shoe . So how do I get this sloppy action tightened up in order to get correct precise shifting ?

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Keep doing what you're doing. Is it from the screw being "close enough" or is something else moving? Also check where the disc hits the wheel in the first and reverse gears, you want to make sure it's to one side or the other of the center, kinda sounds like slow reverse is right in the center and thus doesn't get any spinning from the disc.
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Thanks for the reply if the disc is not moving far enough past the center point, how would you fix that ? Am I right to assume there should not be this amount of slop... that the friction disc should move to the area that supports the selected speed/direction and pretty much stay at that spot ?

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Now that everything is clean and lubricated it moves easily.
Your shifter lever is mounted rigidly in each speed position, and so is the linkage connects to this lever and it is rigid with the exception of the two pivoting ends, and then it connects somewhere to the friction wheel slide assembly.... somewhere in between these points has to be where your problem is located. You are going to have to put the speed selector into a gear and then move the friction wheel with your hand to see where the play / movement is happening in the rigid components.
Should not be too hard to locate, but can be difficult to explain how to see if your not familiar with mechanical assemblies. For me and all the old Ariens machines I work on most times it is elongated slots on the side of the chassis that caused most of the transmission Drive problems due to age and wear.
Where you located ??
If possible post up a video of the movement when you move the friction wheel assembly while the shifter is in a gear, it may help us to see the problem if you're not able to find it. Let us know how you make out.

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