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Toro 724 w/ Predator Replacement Engine

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I have an old Toro 724 that I will be replacing with a predator 212 from HF. The engine should arrive on the weekend and I had a machinist friend make me the bushing and key stock.

I am wondering if anyone has put a 120V electric start on one of these. In Canada, Princess Auto (our version HF) sells a similar version of the predator but in a winterized setup (http://www.princessauto.com/en/detai...questid=953360). One of the optional parts that they well is a 120V starter.

Starter Motor for DJ170S | Princess Auto

Anybody have any experience with this?

I have heard that these predator engines do start easy, but it would be nice to still have the electric start.

Thanks,

Mike
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as far as I know if it is not standard or an option. then no.

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Welcome to the forum Mike, are you receiving a predator from HF or from Princess Auto? I have looked them up and the winterized version look real nice and would have no qualm getting it instead of the HF.
You will have to put a larger jet on the HF Predator and build out of sheet metal carb housing box for heat which is why I would get the Princess Auto one. LCT sell in Canada a 254cc that covers the Tecumseh from 8hp to 11hp, comes with a starter and 60 watt AC stator for lights and hand heaters if so inclined, they sell for $500.00ca.
The Canadian distributor is Canada Power Tech from Montreal. Any Ariens dealer can get these engines. Good Luck

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The 15 HP is a new Ducar engine sold
by Princess Auto in Canada.
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I bought the predator from HF (on sale and 25% off, <$100 shipped), because it was significantly cheaper than anything from princess auto. From the what I can tell, both engines are very similar (save the winter specific portion) if not the same.

Depending on the price I might just buy the electric start and see if I can make it work.
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I didn't think the HF Predator flywheel had teeth for an electric starter. I've no idea if the Princess Auto does.
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I didn't think the HF Predator flywheel had teeth for an electric starter. I've no idea if the Princess Auto does.

It doesn't, the only Predator with electric start provisions is the 420cc.
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While I don't own any predators I do have 4 of the older Greyhounds in service. three are 6.5hp pull start only and one a 11hp with a 12v starter and charging stater. I have never had any problems with any of these engines starting on the first or second pull. They are really that easy to start and all of mine run well. You will find many on this board that are using the predator and so far I have not heard any negative comments from the people using them.
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All,

I have an old Toro 724 that I will be replacing with a predator 212 from HF. The engine should arrive on the weekend and I had a machinist friend make me the bushing and key stock.

I am wondering if anyone has put a 120V electric start on one of these. In Canada, Princess Auto (our version HF) sells a similar version of the predator but in a winterized setup (7 HP 208cc OHV Winter Gas Engine | Princess Auto). One of the optional parts that they well is a 120V starter.

Starter Motor for DJ170S | Princess Auto
I too have a Toro 724 and have given thought to repowering.

Mike. To replace the 7 HP Tecumseh H70 (1"OD x 3" shaft), why
choose the US$120 (CDN$270: CDN$145 + Shpg/Duty/Brkrg) manual
start 6.5 HP Predator 212 (3/4"OD x 2-7/16" shaft), make a pulley
bushing and have to start shopping for an electric starter?

Wouldn't the CDN$350 locally available ELECTRIC START 10 HP Princess
Auto 302 Winter Gas Engine (1"OD x 3-1/2" shaft) c/w warranty perhaps
be a worthy contender. Or maybe the CDN$250 locally available ELECTRIC
START 7 HP Princess Auto 208 Winter Gas Engine (3/4"OD x 2-13/32"
shaft) c/w warranty plus a pulley bushing from your friend?

If convinced that the Predator is the better brand, why not pick the
US$225 (CDN$271 + Shpg/Duty/Brkrg) 8 HP Predator 301 (1"OD x 3-15/32"
shaft)? This is still manual start, but you can forego the adapter bushing
and enjoy the extra power.

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Thought I would post a couple of pictures of the engine installed. We got about 10 cm of really heavy wet snow over the weekend and it preformed beautifully. I am super happy with it. I ended up buying a bushing from here Sleeve-34-1x220

So total investment was just over $100 USD.

I still have a couple of loose ends to tie up, like a dead man switch and maybe re-jetting the carb. But overall I couldn't be happier.
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