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post #1 of 31 Old 01-13-2019, 08:31 AM Thread Starter
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Shedding light on newer machines

Ok Guys,
I’d like to do a comparison of the steel being used on today’s snow blowers, because I don’t believe any of the brands are using the same gauged steel as generations past. The question is are they thicker or stand out from others on today’s machines? I also believe that given that almost all of the engines being built in China are pretty much the same, having cast iron sleeves and the weak link of the newer EPA compliant carbs.

I own an Underdog, a Craft Pro 34” 420cc 2-stage. There is 2 models from both Craftsmen & Troy-Bilt made by MTD with exactly the same build quality (30” & 34”) starting in 2016. In the MTD family they are an 800 series, the Craft Pro 3x & the Troy-Bilt Vortex 3x are not the same as these. In fact I can’t find any other models labeled in the 800 series.

So I’d like to compare brands, but there need to be a year & price range. Let’s use models built from 2014 to present and models not exceeding $1,999 in cost. That will give use 5 years of builds and being able to include the Ariens Platinum & Toro Power Max HD’s.

Using a Vernier caliper is the accurate way to do it, because a line on a ruler can be a mm thick and counting in 2 lines from A/B could end up being 2mm thick (adding 14 ga).
I was able to get a jump start on this comparison, but was limited because most of the larger models were already sold out at my local dealer, but had an Ariens Deluxe 30” EFI, a Toro 824 OE and a Snapper waiting to be picked up from service.

DECSRIPTION-2016 MTD/ 2018 DELUXE 30”/ 2018 PowerMAX/2014-16 SNAPPER H1730E
30” -357CC $1,400/ 306CC $1,700/ 824 OE $849/ 30”-420CC $1,650
34”-420CC $1,600

MTD Ariens Toro Snapper
Auger housing (sides & top) 13 ga 13 ga 13 ga 13 ga
Brace joining gearbox to housing 7 ga 12 ga n/a 6 ga
Shave plate 7 ga 11 ga n/a 6 ga
Impeller housing 13 ga 13 ga n/a 13 ga
Auger flights 11 ga 12-13 ga 14 ga 14 ga
Impeller blades 11 ga 12-13 ga n/a 11 ga
Transmission box 13 ga 12-13 ga 16 ga 13 ga
Shoot & deflector 16 ga 16 ga 16 ga 16 ga
Hanging shoot support mast 11 ga Sq. n/a Sq. n/a none
Shift levers 11 ga 7-8 ga 11 ga round
Rims 14 ga 15-16 ga 15-16 ga 14 ga

I hope you guys with the Platinum's and the larger Power Max HD's will chime in, I'm curious to see what's what.

So I had created a grid in my Word program and it did not copy/pasted over correctly. Then I spaced everything again while creating thread and then when I posted this was the result! Sorry I tried. All for not

I even tried to edit and it won't let me line the columns up, I'm so disappointed, all that work for nothing!
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Not 100% sure but unless something changed in the past few years Murray built Craftsman blowers.

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Not 100% sure but unless something changed in the past few years Murray built Craftsman blowers.
Whoever meet the bid requirements builds craftsman, Murray did for years, Husqvarna was for a while also and now MTD makes many of them, I don't think one company makes all as they sold the MTD and Husqvarna made one at the same time but different models.

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Yes Murray used to build Craftsman, It's been MTD for quite some time now. My machine has an MTD model number on the sticker.
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All the Craftsman machines with the rectangular impeller exit chutes were Murray made.

1986 Ariens ST522, 5hp, 22"
1995 Murray Craftsman 10hp, 29" w. 12" impeller
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I'll try to go pick this vernier caliper tomorrow or later this week. I have a old craftsman and a 2009 Ariens
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I'm suspicious that you're just a sneaky Home Depot marketing person trying to get me to buy a vernier caliper. It won't work! My local store is out of stock so I'd just order from someplace online... and probably go with a dial or digital caliper instead.

It would also be interesting to compare smaller models. I have an Ariens Platinum 24, and it weighs a lot more than most 24" machines. Like 280lbs compared to around 180lbs for a typical 24". The Deluxe is 240lbs and the compact is 180. I can't imagine that extra 100lbs is all in the motor.

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I'm suspicious that you're just a sneaky Home Depot marketing person trying to get me to buy a vernier caliper. It won't work! My local store is out of stock so I'd just order from someplace online... and probably go with a dial or digital caliper instead.

It would also be interesting to compare smaller models. I have an Ariens Platinum 24, and it weighs a lot more than most 24" machines. Like 280lbs compared to around 180lbs for a typical 24". The Deluxe is 240lbs and the compact is 180. I can't imagine that extra 100lbs is all in the motor.
Zandor, I got a good laugh, thank you, I needed that.

Absolutely, smaller and larger models as well, I just didn't want to get into the commercial models, because they're obviously in a league of their own. If you look and my chart I included the Toro 824.

I'm very curious to see if the platinum's are thicker then the deluxe models too. I really thought more Ariens owners would be chiming in on this.
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I plan to do a little measuring, just have not had the chance and Id imagine most do not have the measuring tools.

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