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Zerkless Augurs - Do they have plastic sleeves now?

My new Toro Powermax 826 OE (model 37780) does not have grease fittings. I read a post about newer Ariens Deluxe models that are supposedly also zerkless but do have plastic sleeves so no metal to metal contact.

Does anyone know if this is the case for Toros?
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My new Toro Powermax 826 OE (model 37780) does not have grease fittings. I read a post about newer Ariens Deluxe models that are supposedly also zerkless but do have plastic sleeves so no metal to metal contact.

Does anyone know if this is the case for Toros?
Can't really say aboot the plastic part. but you need not worry aboot any BLOODY SHEER PINS Popping. Because TORO DOES NOT use any BLOODY SHEER PINS!!!! The motor will stall oot if you go cutting a rug, or any other strange objects that might appear oot of nowhere!!!

Long LIVE THE POWERSHIFT!! MAY IT NEVER RUST IN PEACE!!
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toro has never had zerks anywhere in their machines . stop worrying about it.
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Every year just take the bolts out and use some kind of spray lube/ penatrant on the ends and bolt holes. Give it a few spins and your good. Also works on the axle/wheel. If you don't they can freeze up over time. But Toros don't rust as fast and bad as the Ariens if not lubed.
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Every year just take the bolts out and use some kind of spray lube/ penatrant on the ends and bolt holes. Give it a few spins and your good. Also works on the axle/wheel. If you don't they can freeze up over time. But Toros don't rust as fast and bad as the Ariens if not lubed.
Well I don't see many posts of guys with seized Toro augur shafts on here which is good. So perhaps just spraying some lubricant in the bolt holes and spinning them as you indicate is sufficient.

I watched an excellent video on YouTube of a guy removing his Toro augur/impeller and then taking it apart to grease the augur shafts. Maybe he's anal retentive.

This is what he had to say about it:
"Toro doesn't want you to do this basic maintenance procedure that EVERY other snowblower needs... adding grease to the auger blade shafts. The service manual for PowerMax snowblowers specifies anti-seize on the shafts, but that will quickly wash away. As you will see in the video, mine were rusted, and when I first tried spinning them, they would not move! "



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But Toros don't rust as fast and bad as the Ariens if not lubed.
I highly doubt that is true..there is no evidence to support that, and there is no reason to suspect that Toro uses some kind of different metal formula that is less likely to rust.

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Well I don't see many posts of guys with seized Toro augur shafts on here which is good. So perhaps just spraying some lubricant in the bolt holes and spinning them as you indicate is sufficient.
There have been some. You found a video that shows its a problem, and here are two threads that also say its a problem:

https://www.snowblowerforum.com/forum...k-fitting.html

https://www.snowblowerforum.com/forum...sheer-pin.html

And there are a few more. These machines should have been fitted with grease zerks, its a genuine concern that they dont have them, and it has clearly been known to cause rusting problems because they dont have them. Trying to squirt some grease into the shear pin hole will not adequately grease the entire auger shaft. It was a bad decision on Toro's part.

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But Toros don't rust as fast and bad as the Ariens if not lubed.
I highly doubt that is true..there is no evidence to support that, and there is no reason to suspect that Toro uses some kind of different metal formula that is less likely to rust.

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Well I don't see many posts of guys with seized Toro augur shafts on here which is good. So perhaps just spraying some lubricant in the bolt holes and spinning them as you indicate is sufficient.
There have been some. You found a video that shows its a problem, and here are two threads that also say its a problem:

https://www.snowblowerforum.com/forum...k-fitting.html

https://www.snowblowerforum.com/forum...sheer-pin.html

And there are a few more. These machines should have been fitted with grease zerks, its a genuine concern that they dont have them, and it has clearly been known to cause rusting problems because they dont have them. Trying to squirt some grease into the shear pin hole will not adequately grease the entire auger shaft. It was a bad decision on Toro's part.

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I only have work and sold Toro and Ariens for 17 years. I see it all and have fixed them all. Most people don't even take the shear pins out to grease them so the grease don't go thru the whole shaft anyways. Yes if you take the bolts out and spray them even with wd-40 and spin them once a year they will never freeze. Not having grease fitting on a Toro is not a problem. If you do simple maintenance you will not have a problem.
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Isn't the point of greasing the auger shaft to make sure the auger rotates on the shaft if a shear pin breaks? However I thought all PowerMax snowblowers have hardened gears and no shear pins. So I'm wondering if no shear pins is it really necessary to have grease fittings on the PowerMax blowers?

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I highly doubt that is true..there is no evidence to support that, and there is no reason to suspect that Toro uses some kind of different metal formula that is less likely to rust.



There have been some. You found a video that shows its a problem, and here are two threads that also say its a problem:

https://www.snowblowerforum.com/forum...k-fitting.html

https://www.snowblowerforum.com/forum...sheer-pin.html

And there are a few more. These machines should have been fitted with grease zerks, its a genuine concern that they dont have them, and it has clearly been known to cause rusting problems because they dont have them. Trying to squirt some grease into the shear pin hole will not adequately grease the entire auger shaft. It was a bad decision on Toro's part.

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Personally I think I agree with you. I would rather have a few zerks. I will however be spraying the shafts as best as I can with some kind anti rust & lube spray at least once a year if not twice.

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Isn't the point of greasing the auger shaft to make sure the auger rotates on the shaft if a shear pin breaks? However I thought all PowerMax snowblowers have hardened gears and no shear pins. So I'm wondering if no shear pins is it really necessary to have grease fittings on the PowerMax blowers?
Pretty sure my 826 OE has one shear pin each side.
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