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toro's at tractor supply

seems toro is out to try to out sell the others, they are now being sold at tractor supply ,right now they are stocking in summer OPE's and parts, the manager stated come fall they will have snow blowers,

to me that's the total fall of a brand to be selling what was dealer only in box stores

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not really that surprising. probably make better money selling machines with your brand name on them but not having to pay to keep a store open to sell and service them. really no different than home depot selling toro equipment. its not like there is that many companies making machines just like snowblowers. just a bunch of machines re-branded with other names.

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Home Depot has been selling them as well.


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In this day and age, with all the mom and pop stores closing, it would be foolish of a major equipment manufacturer not to take advantage of corporate venues to sell there merchandise in a broad and wide market.
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agree oneracer

just the brands that were rock solid toro. Jd, ariens, all seem to have lost the quality they did have so they could be sold in bulk at box stores or on line at places like snow blowers direct at full mspr.
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87, we saw that happen with Honda back in the 90's when they first started going to the big box stores and by the early 2000's they put a hurting on a lot of their independent dealers so much that many of them ended up going out of business because of what Honda Corporate did to them.
That happened after Mr Soichiro Honda died and the new management took over and every division went down hill big time in a hurry just so they could boost their sales for the CEO's.
Honda was never like that or ran like that when Mr Honda was around, his way was quality over quantity.
Around the turn of the century is when a lot of the top people at Honda left the company because they did not approve of what Honda Corp was doing and how they were running the show.
Many of the top Execs and field supervisors were either switched to a different division or kind of forced out because they didn't agree with they way the new top guys were trying to run the show.
Honda's quality went downhill big time and they closed all of their regional training facilities and outsourced everything including most of their parts suppliers. A lot of components that were made "In House" and built with quality were then outsourced to the cheapest bidder. They did away with many of their good field Reps and decided to try to do everything online to try to do things as cheap as possible, they could have cared less about the quality going downhill, they just wanted to make their money on the Big Box sales, knowing people would buy their product just by the name on it that said Honda. They figured people would buy their products on the name because the price dropped and they could afford it then.
People did buy their Products, but they expected the original quality that Honda was noted for, and they did not get that quality on the new products that was available in the old products.
So not only the public got taken advantage of, but so did many of their former employees and all of their independent dealerships that were around for a long time, like ones that started back in the early 60's.
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In this day and age, with all the mom and pop stores closing, it would be foolish of a major equipment manufacturer not to take advantage of corporate venues to sell there merchandise in a broad and wide market.
Indeed..when sales of one manufacturer goes up by doing the big store route .. it cuts into the sales of other manufacturers.. they end up doing the same thing or lose out.
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87, we saw that happen with Honda back in the 90's when they first started going to the big box stores and by the early 2000's they put a hurting on a lot of their independent dealers so much that many of them ended up going out of business because of what Honda Corporate did to them.
That happened after Mr Soichiro Honda died and the new management took over and every division went down hill big time in a hurry just so they could boost their sales for the CEO's.
Honda was never like that or ran like that when Mr Honda was around, his way was quality over quantity.
Around the turn of the century is when a lot of the top people at Honda left the company because they did not approve of what Honda Corp was doing and how they were running the show.
Many of the top Execs and field supervisors were either switched to a different division or kind of forced out because they didn't agree with they way the new top guys were trying to run the show.
Honda's quality went downhill big time and they closed all of their regional training facilities and outsourced everything including most of their parts suppliers. A lot of components that were made "In House" and built with quality were then outsourced to the cheapest bidder. They did away with many of their good field Reps and decided to try to do everything online to try to do things as cheap as possible, they could have cared less about the quality going downhill, they just wanted to make their money on the Big Box sales, knowing people would buy their product just by the name on it that said Honda. They figured people would buy their products on the name because the price dropped and they could afford it then.
People did buy their Products, but they expected the original quality that Honda was noted for, and they did not get that quality on the new products that was available in the old products.
So not only the public got taken advantage of, but so did many of their former employees and all of their independent dealerships that were around for a long time, like ones that started back in the early 60's.
How right you are about Honda. Here is my mower with it's poor cheap design. Three problems are cheap plastic bushings, cheap metal used on shaft, cheap design that actually engages gearbox when pulling back on mower so you have to overcome gearbox internals instead of freewheeling in reverse:

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Zavie, my 27 year old mower is still running good with none of the problems in that video, but my newer mower has the same problem with the wheels not wanting to turn when you back it up, and the video showed the problem.
The older model used ball bearings in the wheel adjusters so you never had that problem like the new "Cheapo" models with the cheap plastic and recycled metal they use now.
That's what happens when they go the "Big Box Route". They could care less about quality anymore. I bet old Mr Soichiro Honda is rolling over in his grave now because of how cheap his company got with their products and quality.
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how true. to me it seems when they go big box they go elcheapo on the machine, lots of made in china, and it's all of them cheaping out for sales numbers over returning customers

mowers! i have a 2019 self propelled toro high wheel walk behind, kohler motor, made in china ,the machine assembled in mexico good thing it's only for edge trimming as doubt it will last long after the warranty ends . and before it's asked? yes it's one of those never change the oil they brag about
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