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Question Toro vs Ariens

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I just made my first post in the Ariens section. Here comes number 2. I planned to get a Toro Powermax 724 before I actually looked at blowers. I have a great Toro dealer I work with. However I must say when I was at Home Depot the other day with my daughter I saw them both side by side for the first time. The Toro was a huge let down. The dinky little 13" tire, all the plastic (I know, I know its guaranteed for life but still) and the 212cc engine that looks like a Harbor Freight Preditor engine didn't make me thing wow, I got to have one. Did I miss something? DO the dealers get a better machine? The Depot listed th 724 AT $800 dollars and the Ariens Compact 24 at $900. I have not run a snow blower in 10 plus years but from looking at them and holding the controls, etc, I don't see how I could spend my hard earned money on a Toro. If I missed something please speak up. Like I said, I have a great Toro dealer that I buy my trimmer, blowers, Chain Saws, etc from. I would rather deal with them but I can't buy a lesser machine either. Thanks for your help JB
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Have you looked at the HD'S yet???????????? ALOHA from the paradise city.

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Have you looked at the HD'S yet???????????? ALOHA from the paradise city.
powermax hd? no i havent. whatam i missing? i dont think they offer a 24" in an HD do they? Also price wise aren't they more. I think $1000 is about all I want to spend.
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I have also been looking at the Toro models. While I agree the Toro's do look a bit cheaper with the plastic parts, I think the plastic chute may work better than the steel version on the Ariens models. I had some issues with snow sticking to the Ariens chute even with anti-stick sprays.

One advantage of the Toro Power Max is the lower weights. Aries has the Compact 24 coming in at 212 lbs whereas the new PowerMax 826 OXE 37781 (listed for some reason as a 828 OXE on the mobile web page) is only 176 lbs. The PowerMax HD 826 OXE has the same engine but jumps to 243 lbs. I'm with you on the non-HD tires, though. As I mentioned in your other post, traction is a big issue for me and 13" tires just aren't big enough. I was wondering if I could add the HD tired to the non-HD model but it looks like that would cost $200, even if they fit. BTW, the only non-HD model to have assisted steering is the 826 OXE which has "automatic steering" similar, I guess to the new SnowMaster, whereas the HD versions have "power steering". Our dealer doesn't have the new models in stock yet so I haven't had the chance to ask the difference.

I still have no idea what I'm gonna get but it looks to be down to 3 Toro models - the 721 QZE single stage, the biggest SnowMaster 824 QXE or the non-HD 826 OXE - or possibly the Ariens track Compact 24.
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I have also been looking at the Toro models. While I agree the Toro's do look a bit cheaper with the plastic parts, I think the plastic chute may work better than the steel version on the Ariens models. I had some issues with snow sticking to the Ariens chute even with anti-stick sprays.

One advantage of the Toro Power Max is the lower weights. Aries has the Compact 24 coming in at 212 lbs whereas the new PowerMax 826 OXE 37781 (listed for some reason as a 828 OXE on the mobile web page) is only 176 lbs. The PowerMax HD 826 OXE has the same engine but jumps to 243 lbs. I'm with you on the non-HD tires, though. As I mentioned in your other post, traction is a big issue for me and 13" tires just aren't big enough. I was wondering if I could add the HD tired to the non-HD model but it looks like that would cost $200, even if they fit. BTW, the only non-HD model to have assisted steering is the 826 OXE which has "automatic steering" similar, I guess to the new SnowMaster, whereas the HD versions have "power steering". Our dealer doesn't have the new models in stock yet so I haven't had the chance to ask the difference.

I still have no idea what I'm gonna get but it looks to be down to 3 Toro models - the 721 QZE single stage, the biggest SnowMaster 824 QXE or the non-HD 826 OXE - or possibly the Ariens track Compact 24.
Thanks for all the feedback!!! I really appreciate it. I wonder about those tires however. If they are that much smaller would the weight on they be more concentrated and they actually bite better? Maybe, maybe not. I get wha you are saying withh the plastic. It makes sence. I think i am leaning towards no steering assisted sytsem. I just dont see a machine this small being a big deal to muscle around. I see the 724 is listed as either having a briggs 205cc or the 212cc that I know nothingg about. hats better? Is thee 212cc the replacement for the Briggs?
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The 212 is the Toro Premium engine, which I believe is made by LCT, the same company that makes the Ariens engines so no difference there. My prior Compact 24 had the Briggs that I thought was nothing special. People seem to be happy with the Ariens LCT's. I didn't think the Briggs was anything special. If you are going for Made in the USA, someone on these boards mentioned that only the larger Briggs snowblower engines are still made here. Everything else comes from China.
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I wonder about those tires however. If they are that much smaller would the weight on they be more concentrated and they actually bite better? Maybe, maybe not.
No, it wouldnt be better..when it comes to traction (and especially traction is snow) bigger is always better..

imagine snowbower wheels only 4-inches in diameter..first, they can get buried in the snow and not move at all, and second, they wont have much surface area in contact with the ground..

now imagine the same snowblower with wheels 4-feet tall..they will have more surface area in contact with the ground, more "rubber meets the road", and will have much better traction..

bigger is better, when it comes to wheels.

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No, it wouldnt be better..when it comes to traction (and especially traction is snow) bigger is always better..

imagine snowbower wheels only 4-inches in diameter..first, they can get buried in the snow and not move at all, and second, they wont have much surface area in contact with the ground..

now imagine the same snowblower with wheels 4-feet tall..they will have more surface area in contact with the ground, more "rubber meets the road", and will have much better traction..

bigger is better, when it comes to wheels.

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Thanks Scot, I knew I was rematch in a little on that. Just surprised how dinky these small Toros look next to an Ariens.
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The HD'S have 16 inch tires on then. it is a 8-26. for 1400.00

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you know why the toro looks almost exactly likes the predator? its made by loncin, the same company that makes the predator from harbor freight, very reliable engines
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