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I've got the new efi and it hasn't run right yet, my dealer said to run premium gas with no alcohol, that's what I've been doing, changed the spark plug, it was badly fouled after 1/2 hour of backfiring and stalling, did I buy a mistake? The dealer hasn't worked on one yet. Im pretty handy, any suggestions? The blink indicator is ridiculous, impossible to count.
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Ethanol is a small engine's nightmare. It absorbs water from the air and gums things up. No ethanol no problems!
And to think, the Government keeps telling us about carbon dioxide and "Greenhouse" gases.
What is one of the biggest producers of Carbon Dioxide/Greenhouse gases?
That would be,,,,, burning ,,,,Ethanol
Awful funny our Government won't admit to that, they want us to burn more if it by raising the amount they put in our fuel.
We already have enough "Dry Gas" or "Ethanol" in our fuel now as it is.
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Untrained old school knuckle draggers and newly minted "know it alls" having no clue how to work on it. Parts tend to be more $$$ than for carbed engines, but then again, if the system is good, the need should be far, far, lower.

Find a dealer who bothered to train and stock to support it, and should be a non-issue.
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What is the down side to EFI?

The Repair Bill
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It's been almost a year since @Finnbear posted to this thread. Probably moved south or got another snowblower. Perhaps we will never know.
Or, it was repaired and has been flawless ever since . . .
Or, it was repaired and has been flawless ever since . . .
I wish we could have a poll in threads like this and vote for what we think happened.
I wish we could have a poll in threads like this and vote for what we think happened.
Or, better yet, an update from the OP. I really don't care what folks who fear what they don't know or understand think about issues like this.

So, to that end, I'd love a reply from the OP, or the guy who fixed it. These are just too bonehead simple to stay down very long . . . (well, unless the EFI system is smarter than the guy trying to work on it, which is sadly, likely quite often the case . . .)
It's been almost a year since @Finnbear posted to this thread. Probably moved south or got another snowblower. Perhaps we will never know.

Finn last posted in January, and his EFI situation was not yet resolved then..
I'll send him a PM right now, (hopefully he will also get an email alert) and ask if he will update us..


Scot
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Well, I was considering EFI but decided to steer clear with my new Blower. Not that EFI is bad or anything, but I preferred "proven" and I have no issues with "carbs", so I stuck with what has worked for me. I just wish I could've gotten last year's 28" Pro RapidTrak with the B & S motor (Ariens PN 926060) with almost 6 quart gas tank instead of this newer LCT motor (Ariens PN 926078) with 3 quart gas tank. I hope these LCT motors are as good. Going to find out.
Or, better yet, an update from the OP. I really don't care what folks who fear what they don't know or understand think about issues like this.

So, to that end, I'd love a reply from the OP, or the guy who fixed it. These are just too bonehead simple to stay down very long . . . (well, unless the EFI system is smarter than the guy trying to work on it, which is sadly, likely quite often the case . . .)

I'm Bonehead Smart Enough to Stay Away From It.
I'm Bonehead Smart Enough to Stay Away From It.
That's my position, too. I strongly considered EFI for my brand new Pro32 - I have lots of equipment with EFI and appreciate its advantages - but ultimately decided that simpler things are a huge asset when the snow is flying. It's possible that EFI could be as reliable as an "old school" carbed system, but in case it's not I have a far better chance at repairing a carbed system with tools and parts I already own. Getting this crucial piece of equipment back in service ASAP while the snow is getting deeper all around me might just be the Number One most important "feature" of a snowblower. For that reason I keep spare friction disks, belts, etc. in a dedicated box ready to go. I don't want to have to stock a bunch of EFI parts too.
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That's my position, too. I strongly considered EFI for my brand new Pro32 - I have lots of equipment with EFI and appreciate its advantages - but ultimately decided that simpler things are a huge asset when the snow is flying. It's possible that EFI could be as reliable as an "old school" carbed system, but in case it's not I have a far better chance at repairing a carbed system with tools and parts I already own. Getting this crucial piece of equipment back in service ASAP while the snow is getting deeper all around me might just be the Number One most important "feature" of a snowblower. For that reason I keep spare friction disks, belts, etc. in a dedicated box ready to go. I don't want to have to stock a bunch of EFI parts too.

Well Said!
I made the calls to see what it would cost me to trade to EFI, and at this point I would get killed on $$$. I really regret needing to rush into what I got and ending up with a carbed engine I didn't want (and I knew that . . . and like an idiot, bought it anyway.)

To that end, if anyone in the Michigan UP has an EFI Plat 24, and decided they really wanted carbed, we should talk . . .
I made the calls to see what it would cost me to trade to EFI, and at this point I would get killed on $$$. I really regret needing to rush into what I got and ending up with a carbed engine I didn't want (and I knew that . . . and like an idiot, bought it anyway.)

To that end, if anyone in the Michigan UP has an EFI Plat 24, and decided they really wanted carbed, we should talk . . .
Why did you rush in and buy a "carb" blower if you knew you absolutely wanted an "EFI" ?? I get from reading this thread you like EFI vs carb, but why so much dislike, that you'd unload your carb blower to switch to EFI ?? I don't see that much of a benefit of EFI or a detriment to having a carb version. I'm just curious. Thanks.
Why did you rush in and buy a "carb" blower if you knew you absolutely wanted an "EFI" ?? I get from reading this thread you like EFI vs carb, but why so much dislike, that you'd unload your carb blower to switch to EFI ?? I don't see that much of a benefit of EFI or a detriment to having a carb version. I'm just curious. Thanks.
Needed something, and nobody could get the EFI in a timely manner. That, and was also somewhat lied to - the dealer stated with a straight face that this machine had a full range throttle control. Sorry, but full and idle with nothing in between does *NOT* fill that requirement. . . (and figured that out after delivery).

Had that been present, I had determined to force myself to live with the downgrade of no throttle control on the dash (every other machine I have owned has had that, and wasn't interested in losing it).

Lastly, the EFI should be far more tolerant of infequent use, since I am not a 100% resident in that location at this time, and the better mixture control should give a bit better fuel economy (anthought that really wasn't a factor. Power equipment engines just plain don't use enough fuel to matter).

So, it was 'hail mary' an EFI in and not deal with the local deal (who has been good to me for years), do it by hand, or try to accept the compromise. Partly also my fault for not realizing that, despite being close to Brillion, a dealer could not order anything in in a timely manner, and what they could do would add hundreds of $$$ freight above normal pricing. Apparently they only get deliveries in large batches once or twice per season.

The EFI fits all my needs, although a carbed engine could have as well, had they not downgraded the engine controls over the years in such a craptastic way. Between the two, the EFI meets my wishes far, far, better.

I decided this year that I would eat uo to $700 or so to fix my mistake, but found out that it would have been over a grand, and the dealer was claiming (in October) that his order was already in, so the same nonsense about ordering was still in play, even offering 2 months lead time . . .

Despite that, the dealer is great. Delivered it within 24 hours, in a blizzard, and without being paid (that person was out sick, but they delivered it anyhow - as I sakd, this is generally a great dealer . . .) Basically said 'we know where it is, so just show up in the next few days and take care it'.
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Do you shut the fuel tank off after each use??

If the engine performance is poor perhaps seafoam would help, that is
UNLESS the engine is giving you error codes of some sort??
I have never had bad performance from *ANY* snowblower engine that I have owned - I keep up with things. Having said that, when in that residence, no I never shut the valve because it tends to just wear out valves with no other purpose - seems like it gets run every other day if not more often. End of season, yes run dry, bowl drain, etc. Run Stabil all the time recently . . . back in the 70's and 80's, we never bothered with any additive, and still had no issues. E0 is about 500 feet from the house as well, so run that (despite never having had issues with fuel with ethanol).

I think the only blower carb I ever had to clean had sat 20+ years, and my Dad left fuel in it. Still cleaned up perfectly and runs great. I just don't care for that machine much both due to no dead man clutch (IE, let go and it keeps going until out of fuel) and lack of parts support, hence the new one.

Reread my above: My issue with current carbed blowers is mainly lack of decent controls, and having them on the dash where they should be.

And, I'm not the OP - I have nothing to give error codes . . .still stuck with a carb . . .
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Needed something, and nobody could get the EFI in a timely manner. That, and was also somewhat lied to - the dealer stated with a straight face that this machine had a full range throttle control. Sorry, but full and idle with nothing in between does *NOT* fill that requirement. . . (and figured that out after delivery).

Had that been present, I had determined to force myself to live with the downgrade of no throttle control on the dash (every other machine I have owned has had that, and wasn't interested in losing it).

Lastly, the EFI should be far more tolerant of infequent use, since I am not a 100% resident in that location at this time, and the better mixture control should give a bit better fuel economy (anthought that really wasn't a factor. Power equipment engines just plain don't use enough fuel to matter).

So, it was 'hail mary' an EFI in and not deal with the local deal (who has been good to me for years), do it by hand, or try to accept the compromise. Partly also my fault for not realizing that, despite being close to Brillion, a dealer could not order anything in in a timely manner, and what they could do would add hundreds of $$$ freight above normal pricing. Apparently they only get deliveries in large batches once or twice per season.

The EFI fits all my needs, although a carbed engine could have as well, had they not downgraded the engine controls over the years in such a craptastic way. Between the two, the EFI meets my wishes far, far, better.

I decided this year that I would eat uo to $700 or so to fix my mistake, but found out that it would have been over a grand, and the dealer was claiming (in October) that his order was already in, so the same nonsense about ordering was still in play, even offering 2 months lead time . . .

Despite that, the dealer is great. Delivered it within 24 hours, in a blizzard, and without being paid (that person was out sick, but they delivered it anyhow - as I sakd, this is generally a great dealer . . .) Basically said 'we know where it is, so just show up in the next few days and take care it'.

Thanks for sharing that information. That explains alot. I can understand your frustration with both the "non adjustable" engine speed (idle and full load) and not having this type of control on the control panel. My old Ariens had that "engine speed" lever on the handlebar. My Honda lawnmower I purchased two years ago has adjustable engine speed too.
As for the dealer, that's too bad about delivery and being only once a year in a large order. That's rough. Appreciate your taking the time to post. Thank you !!!
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