The thing that gets me is that the people who bash these machines the most don't even own them and have never used them. There was even one guy on here(named chaulky45) who went on an on about how bad the new ones are(even though he never tried it himself). And to back up his assertion of how bad they are, he even made up a story about how 15 of his friends had bought them and returned them for refunds and got yamahas! After I caught him red handed on that blatant lie he hasn't posted since! LMAO It's kind of offensive how stupid those types of bullshitters like that think we are. Lying helps nobody, and I hope Honda goes after him legally for spreading such nonsense on public forums.