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I don't understand how a picture of an apparent assault of a woman by two men relates to the title of this thread? Perhaps you could explain the picture, and its relevance to the title?
 

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Town ....I think it was Jack's way of saying that if you get an EFI blower and have a problem...the jokes on you. I don't read anything about an assault on a woman from that meme. So sorry if you bought an EFI...they are fun when they aren't broken.
 

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Have we had a new thread start recently about a snowblower with EFI issues? Maybe something that would have begun in late October or early November? I can't recall a new thread, hmmm......................
 

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Town ....I think it was Jack's way of saying that if you get an EFI blower and have a problem...the jokes on you. I don't read anything about an assault on a woman from that meme. So sorry if you bought an EFI...they are fun when they aren't broken.

Cran, Thanks For "Getting it"....
 

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I'm at the Arien Dealers at least three times a week....the owner is one of my x-high school students back in my previous life....he's 60 so guess I've over the hill. I asked him abut the EFI yesterday, to see if he liked them any better then last year......He said we sell a lot of them, but no I don't like them....his head mechanic is knowledgeable about the system and has gone through the training seminars from the factory, and he HATES it. It all boils down to the potential advantages vs. the extra cost to buy and maintain, and how hard for the homeowner to service it....
 

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"He sells a lot of them . . " but yet no mention of a problem rate, just an irrelevant emothional statement of "I hate them" . . . Hmmm.

Maybe because he gets *less* service revenue? <ducks>

Seriously, if they are selling that well, only 2 or so problem posts here should be a testament to reliability . . . (and the only problems I have read have pretty much been "right out of the box" and not operational issues).

Seriously, I try to keep this down to technology, failure rate, etc. Emotional reactions of like, hate, etc. mean nothing in this context. Like or don't like - anyones choice, but that in itself means nothing to the quality or relibility of the machine.

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@tad,

I am in agreement, and it is pretty evident, that in the years to come, EFI, or some form of it, will be on all small engines.

I mean, why are cars not produced anymore with carburetors. Technology and the times change, one has to move on, and I am sure there are some that don't like it.

Remember incandescent light bulbs … :) Now there all LED. Remember the phone on the wall, or the black one on the table with the barbell type handset … lol …. Hey, how about when snowblowers were sold with chains on a lawn tire, instead of like now, with the proper XTrac or SnowHogs Tread…. :)

I personally had all my blowers given to me, and never had to buy one, and never will have to, as there are too many out there that are neglected and discarded, allowing people like me and others here, to reap the benefit of never having to buy one. But if I were to buy one today, it would be with the latest technology for sure. With that being said, can someone buy something new and still f...k it up, … :) … most certainly.
 

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At the service counter at some random Ariens dealership on the east coast. "Hey can I help ya?" "Why yes mister service guy my snowblower is hard to start, or runs rough or won't start and I think it may be the carb, maybe." The service guy replies "Yer a homeowner right? go home and service it yerself".
 

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oneacer your so correct

IMM i see that with CA carb's pushing we will be seeing cats pretty soon, flowed by everything EFI , cats have been made for some time as retro fits with good results, engines i have retro'd with kits from bluecat run good and sure smell cleaner . https://www.nettinc.com/products/3-way-catalytic-converters/bluecat-small-spark-ignited-engines-emission-control

my first try it engine is a 25 hp kohler twin on my lawn tractor 300 hours later still runs great if only i could say that about the transaxle
 

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EFI has a long enough history as a concept that there's no reason it can't work well on a snowblower. I think some of the flaws come down to trying to keep the system a little too simple and cheap. If they went to key start and had a 12v battery on board, some of the components would likely be a bit less specialized, meaning they could use more off the shelf parts, diagnostics protocols, etc. to make them easier to service.



And of course, like any piece of technology, it's hard to fix it or know why it's behaving the way it is if you don't know enough about how it works. So some implementation specific info being put out there in a good service manual that's not just aimed at scripted diagnostics would be good.
 

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I can see EFI for commercial users and people in the big snow areas.We just don’t get snow we used to in the great lakes area.
We are lucky to use our SB 10 times a season.
If they can get the price down and include a long lasting battery to keep the efi working then they will sell around here
 

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EFI has a long enough history as a concept that there's no reason it can't work well on a snowblower. I think some of the flaws come down to trying to keep the system a little too simple and cheap. If they went to key start and had a 12v battery on board, some of the components would likely be a bit less specialized, meaning they could use more off the shelf parts, diagnostics protocols, etc. to make them easier to service.



And of course, like any piece of technology, it's hard to fix it or know why it's behaving the way it is if you don't know enough about how it works. So some implementation specific info being put out there in a good service manual that's not just aimed at scripted diagnostics would be good.
The 7.2v battery used is as common as many car batteries - it's just a 6 cell RC car/plane/whatever pack . . . And you can't freeze NiMH, unlike lead acid if let to get too low. Seems like a really good pick from here - far more common and cheaper than small gel or AGM batteries, and likely a voltage far more compatible with a lot of the parts in use. The service info makes it look like they are basically using RC servo technology/chips for the throttle servo, and mkst other electronics run on 5 anyhow, so plenty of headroom. Heck, given the fueling curves, this is something that could likely be deployed on something like an Arduino board . . .
 
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