Gold or Gimmick: Anti Clog System impeller.
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I can't speak for the other guys here but lots of us have been running blowers for years. The only time something like that would be needed is if you're going too fast for your machine and the conditions. If you're operating your blower properly there won't be any need to "recycle" any snow. Operating a snowblower is not rocket science but there is a bit of a learning curve.
Short answer to your question... Gimmick. 'JMVHO.
Short answer to your question... Gimmick. 'JMVHO.
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This feature, I am on the fence. With regard to the modern version of the "third stage," it's a gimmick, that uses a powerful motor and a large auger width to do a job that could work without the "third stage."
The older third stages, may actually do something with the performance of the intake of snow. Especially in the deeper drifts and accumulations.
The older third stages, may actually do something with the performance of the intake of snow. Especially in the deeper drifts and accumulations.
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Yes, Toro Power Max
"With regard to the modern version of the "third stage," it's a gimmick"
Agreed. Looks like a solution to a problem that never existed (that is moving snow towards the impeller).
ACS seems to improve upon the most important part of the process.
But then again, Honda's throw snow like nobody's business and they don't have an atypical impeller design, do they?
"The older third stages, may actually do something with the performance of the intake of snow. Especially in the deeper drifts and accumulations."
This would be neat to see again!
"With regard to the modern version of the "third stage," it's a gimmick"
Agreed. Looks like a solution to a problem that never existed (that is moving snow towards the impeller).
ACS seems to improve upon the most important part of the process.
But then again, Honda's throw snow like nobody's business and they don't have an atypical impeller design, do they?
"The older third stages, may actually do something with the performance of the intake of snow. Especially in the deeper drifts and accumulations."
This would be neat to see again!
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I guess if the snow you're trying to move looked like waves in the ocean it would do a great job of evening it out.
Just moving at the right speed would solve it too.
I've never used one but other than that really wet, really heavy stuff I've never had a problem with clogging a machine, any machine.
Just moving at the right speed would solve it too.
I've never used one but other than that really wet, really heavy stuff I've never had a problem with clogging a machine, any machine.
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The biggest difference with the Honda's, is their impeller speed. The faster the impeller is, the faster it can eject it, thus reducing the chances of it bogging down, at maximum feed rates to the augers.
With the other machines you would need to simply slow the feed rate to compensate for the slower impeller speed.
With the other machines you would need to simply slow the feed rate to compensate for the slower impeller speed.
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In my experience with chutes clogging, this Toro powermax "bypass" thing would do nothing to fix the problem..
Every time I have had a chute clog, its due to very wet sticky snow..
the snow clogs up in the chute *above* the impeller, the spinning impeller isnt powerful enough to force it up and out, so it just spins, and if the snowblower is still moving forward the snow is simply forced out the sides of the bucket because it cant go out the chute..
In this situation, even if there was a "bypass" it wouldnt do any good, because there is only one possible way to clear the clog: shut down the machine and jam a stick down the chute to loosen it up.
So, I dont see how this Toro bypass thingy is supposed to help..
If the chute is going to clog, its going to clog..whether or not the bypass is there.
and once it is clogged, the bypass does nothing..
I suppose this bypass could slow down the formation of a clog..
but I dont see how it could prevent it.
it cant prevent the snow from building up above the impeller, and eventually closing up and clogging.
maybe it could slow down the snow volume through the chute enough to prevent a clog in the first place..that's possible...maybe.
but wet sticky snow is still wet and sticky either way..I think if the snow conditions are good for clogging,
its still going to clog.
Scot
Every time I have had a chute clog, its due to very wet sticky snow..
the snow clogs up in the chute *above* the impeller, the spinning impeller isnt powerful enough to force it up and out, so it just spins, and if the snowblower is still moving forward the snow is simply forced out the sides of the bucket because it cant go out the chute..
In this situation, even if there was a "bypass" it wouldnt do any good, because there is only one possible way to clear the clog: shut down the machine and jam a stick down the chute to loosen it up.
So, I dont see how this Toro bypass thingy is supposed to help..
If the chute is going to clog, its going to clog..whether or not the bypass is there.
and once it is clogged, the bypass does nothing..
I suppose this bypass could slow down the formation of a clog..
but I dont see how it could prevent it.
it cant prevent the snow from building up above the impeller, and eventually closing up and clogging.
maybe it could slow down the snow volume through the chute enough to prevent a clog in the first place..that's possible...maybe.
but wet sticky snow is still wet and sticky either way..I think if the snow conditions are good for clogging,
its still going to clog.
Scot
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Just having a Toro 1128 OXE for 1 winter I was surprized as to how well it does work on page 2 of my review I have pictures of how it looked after blowing wet snow.
http://www.snowblowerforum.com/forum/snowblower-reviews/30153-toro-1128-power-max.html
But for the wet end of driveway snow that is 50% or more water it did not plug up as long as you had lots of it going through the blower, as soon as I stopped it did plug up so it is not perfect but better than any thing else on the block that my neighbours have hope this helps.
http://www.snowblowerforum.com/forum/snowblower-reviews/30153-toro-1128-power-max.html
But for the wet end of driveway snow that is 50% or more water it did not plug up as long as you had lots of it going through the blower, as soon as I stopped it did plug up so it is not perfect but better than any thing else on the block that my neighbours have hope this helps.
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The Toro's have a lot of "plastic", but they seem to have engineered what ever they use to work well. My only concern with the Toro is the one piece auger/tractor assembly. I understand it makes it more rigid, but it has to affect ease of repair in the future.
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I'm sure there is a trick that the owner will learn and by-pass the dealer for future belt changes. The owners manual for GMC Acadia's, Saturn Outlook's and Buick Enclave's all say to HAVE the dealer replace a burned out head light bulb. I found out that it is a 10 minute job once you learn the SECRET. :smiley-confused009:...the manual for the Toro does say to take it to the dealer to replace the belt.
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Like Grunt said, manuals may be over the top for dealer repair advice. I was just thinking in the event you needed to pull a rusted auger pulley, replace impeller bushing/bearing. While I don't know the specific design of the Toro, a machine that breaks in half allows much more access. Neighbor has one that throws snow like crazy. Only problem he had was leaving gas in it over the summer. i was able to clean up the carb with it still mounted on the machine and get him back blowing. It ran and started easily all winter after that. The chute stick control is slick.
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Pretty slow here this time of year. Here is a link to one of my topics showing the blower.
http://www.snowblowerforum.com/forum/toro-snowblowers/30169-power-max-hd-1128-a.html
My dealer is still selling Toro but is not stocking them because of the low Canadian $$ most people are interested in cost over Quality
http://www.snowblowerforum.com/forum/toro-snowblowers/30169-power-max-hd-1128-a.html
My dealer is still selling Toro but is not stocking them because of the low Canadian $$ most people are interested in cost over Quality
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