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Been using a small 22" 5HP MTD 2 Stage thrower for the last ten years...the tranny called it quits last year, and my small engine repair guy told me it would cost me about $300 for a new one....LOL NO WAY!!!! The machine cost me $550 brand new, so no way was I gonna spend that much money on a tranny. Long story short, been researching, and spending allot of time online checking out snowblowers, and I've narrowed my options down to 2 of them. The Toro 724OE, and the Toro Snowmaster 824QXE.

My driveway is 80' x 10', plus 30' of sidewalk, and some walkway and area in backyard. I want/need something with power, because I have to push all the snow to the street from the entire driveway, and it starts to build up by the time I get to the street.

I was originally going to get the 724OE, but I've been looing allot at the 824QXE, and it looks pretty good too. I'm just scared I'll regret settling for a single stage, instead of getting the two stage. All the videos, and reviews on the 824QXE seem great, but I'm scared it won't have the "umph" I am looking for.

I really don't know which one to get
 

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Not knowing Toronto for snow, but I am a Toro man and 2 stage rules. But I have never used a single stage have a friend with a Toro single and he like it just goes out when the is no more than 6 in . The Toro 724OE will have no problem at all. Let us know what you end up with.
 

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As an owner of an 824QXE you might think there's a bias here but there isn't, I like all machines in some way.

My $.02 on the S-M:

1. After a few years with an Ariens SS522, a Toro Snow Commander and a Troy Bilt Squall I can confidently say the S-M is eons ahead of ANY SS out there, PERIOD. It throws farther, can deal with much deeper snow, doesn't get upset by expansion joints/cracks, and is easier to handle.

2. Can handle snow up to 12" without too much drama or effort. More than that will take longer, but not that much. If big storms comprised of wet/heavy snow are the norm for your area a 2 stager might be better. Especially if you have to get it all to the street every storm (the town allows this?)

3. For the light snows (<6") it is the fastest machine of any (ss or 2st) because it can eat the snow faster than you can walk/feed it in, turns on a dime and the chute controls are effortless. 180 turns are quick!

4. Doesn't like making contact with solid, immovable objects such as curbs or paving stones. Hitting the corner of one of these can dent/bend the high speed rotor. Sure, a newspaper can disable a 2 stager but I feel it is somewhat less vulnerable as the augers of are a little bit beefier and turning much slower.

Let us know what you get (and take pics!)
 

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As an owner of an 824QXE you might think there's a bias here but there isn't, I like all machines in some way.

My $.02 on the S-M:

1. After a few years with an Ariens SS522, a Toro Snow Commander and a Troy Bilt Squall I can confidently say the S-M is eons ahead of ANY SS out there, PERIOD. It throws farther, can deal with much deeper snow, doesn't get upset by expansion joints/cracks, and is easier to handle.

2. Can handle snow up to 12" without too much drama or effort. More than that will take longer, but not that much. If big storms comprised of wet/heavy snow are the norm for your area a 2 stager might be better. Especially if you have to get it all to the street every storm (the town allows this?)

3. For the light snows (<6") it is the fastest machine of any (ss or 2st) because it can eat the snow faster than you can walk/feed it in, turns on a dime and the chute controls are effortless. 180 turns are quick!

4. Doesn't like making contact with solid, immovable objects such as curbs or paving stones. Hitting the corner of one of these can dent/bend the high speed rotor. Sure, a newspaper can disable a 2 stager but I feel it is somewhat less vulnerable as the augers of are a little bit beefier and turning much slower.

Let us know what you get (and take pics!)
Good to hear from the man that has one:sigh:
 

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:welcome: aboard!

Some good advice/comments. What concerns me and I may be wrong, your original post mentioned "an area in backyard." If this area is unpaved you really wouldn't be able to use a single stage machine or a Snowmaster. Additionally you may want to also look at the Toro Power Max 826 and the Ariens Deluxe 24. Best of luck on your search.
 

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Unlike a conventional SS the paddles of the S-M do not make contact with the ground, it rides/slides on adjustable height skids like a 2 stage

Still, I'd go with a two stage for any gravel or grass

This years Deluxe 24 is a snazzy looking machine!
 

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I should've have mentioned the amount of snow we get....some years we barely get any, and other years, the mayor has to call in the army ?!!!! Toronto is funny that way, it's like we're in a small pocket that sometimes doesn't get anything, and other times we get hammered. I'd say average snowfall at a time is 2"-4", and 6"-8" is at the high range. But we do get Times that we get hit with 6" of snow two or three times within a couple of days. My problem is my driveway. I have no where to put the snow on the sides, so I have to push it to the front or back (depending on the wind that day). I also get lots of drifting snow from the roofs. They're calling for allot of snow this year, but last year we barely got any. I'm scared the 824 qxe won't have enough power to push all the build up of snow that accumulates as I'm plowing. What starts off as only 6" ends up being over 12" by the time i get to the end.

I dont mind getting the 724 oe if I have to, I just want to make sure whatever I get gives me the confidence to tackle it. I really like the 824qxe, but I'm scared it won't have the umph I need.
 

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The area I mentioned before in my backyard is concrete, and my driveway is asphalt (brand new I may add).

I'd probably be perfectly served with the 824qxe 85% of the time, but those last 15% are doozies.

Was at my local toro dealer yesterday," (Kooybros), but I'm gonna have to study the two blowers again before I make the plunge. The last thing I want to do is regret settling for the 824qxe considering the 724 oe is pretty much same price. I just love the agility of the 824
 

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Everything in me is telling me that I'm going to love the 824, but the little guy on my shoulder is saying to get the 724 .....dilema dilema
 

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i used the neighbors 8hp 24" MTD last year after mine went to the garbage, and I loved the confidence I had to tackle the snow with it compared to my smaller one. I just want that same feeling with which ever one I purchase (which will most likely be this weekend.)

I'm at the point where I'll probably always question my final decision which ever way I go since I can't try them before I purchase it.
 

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"...since I can't try them before I purchase it." Now there's an opportunity for some forward thinking dealer!
 

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I work out of town a lot, and I think the 824QXE would be perfect for my wife. It appears to be a very capable machine, although I can imagine it would be a hard sell as your only blower. If my wife wasn't going to use it, I doubt I would ever consider buying a single stage.
 

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i used the neighbors 8hp 24" MTD last year after mine went to the garbage, and I loved the confidence I had to tackle the snow with it compared to my smaller one. I just want that same feeling with which ever one I purchase (which will most likely be this weekend.)

I'm at the point where I'll probably always question my final decision which ever way I go since I can't try them before I purchase it.
The suspense is getting to me can not wait to see which way you went. Pictures ASAP:rock:
 

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Hahahaha that cracked me up!!!

Imagine how I feel then....my biggest problem is my driveway, and the fact that the snow builds up really quickly by the time I get to the end and can finally put it to the sides. If I had room on the sides to throw it to while I'm walking, I know the 824qxe would be more then enough, even the 724qxe would be more then enough.

I've been trying to convince myself that the 824qxe will be fine, but I don't think I'll let myself walk out of there without the 724oe.

Trust me, you guys will be the first to know which one I end up getting, with tons of picks, and even a small video.
 

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don't be afraid of the qxe's as they can get the job done easy enough. My 724 QXE did 18" inches of wet snow last winter never even stalled. The new Toro SS's that operate like 2 stagers(QXE) are AWESOME machines. VERY easy to maneuver unlike a 2 stage machine. Best of both worlds. Faster then a two stage and VERY easy to throw around like a single stage but it's powered. nothing easier in the snow.
 

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Here is the 824QXE I just bought. I think there is one at your dealer with your name on it.

After spending another day pondering on which one to get, I'm this much closer to get the 824qxe. I keep watching videos online (Paul's), and the more I watch, the more I think it'll be perfectly fine. I keep replaying back in my mind past winters, and I'm sure it'll handle the snow we get perfectly, after all, my last snowblower only had a 5 HP engine, and the 824qxe has a 8 HP.
 

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Unlike a conventional SS the paddles of the S-M do not make contact with the ground, it rides/slides on adjustable height skids like a 2 stage

Still, I'd go with a two stage for any gravel or grass

This years Deluxe 24 is a snazzy looking machine!
What is your reasoning for it being ok to use on gravel and grass, but you wouldn't? I was actually surprised to see the rubber was 3/4" above the bottom of the scraper.
 
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