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It appears the chain is stretched.
Chain "stretch" is caused by lack of lubrication and then the chain’s pitch grows in length as it wears. The growth comes from the bushings wearing with the chain pins. Over time, the inner diameter of these bushings increases and the pins groove out. Measure the length of 10 links and then divide by 10 to get the average pitch. If it's 0.5% greater than the original pitch (or more), it's time for a new chain, and perhaps new sprockets.
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Have you checked to see that the pin in the drive wheel is intact on the left side? Does the chain actually skip on the sprocket when you turn the track?
 

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I think its just the chain is stretched and atleast two bearings are messed up. The pin was in the drivewheel. What do you guys lube the chains with i used fluid film and motorcycle chain fluid didnt seem to help.
 

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Chain "stretch" is caused by lack of lubrication and then the chain’s pitch grows in length as it wears. The growth comes from the bushings wearing with the chain pins. Over time, the inner diameter of these bushings increases and the pins groove out. Measure the length of 10 links and then divide by 10 to get the average pitch. If it's 0.5% greater than the original pitch (or more), it's time for a new chain, and perhaps new sprockets.
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Have you checked to see that the pin in the drive wheel is intact on the left side? Does the chain actually skip on the sprocket when you turn the track?
Tabora , I am impressed ,your explanation of "chain stretch is text book spot on " . I can't tell you how many mechanics I have explained this to ,only to get a deer in the headlight look .
 

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Are those O-ring chains on that? Can't tell, but it does not look like it. Those hold up better but are wider.

I tried using a Harley O-ring chain on my antique Triumph once. The sprocket/ tooth size was a match but the width would not fit though my engine case.
If a wider o-ring chain can fit on a snowblower it might be worth investigating.

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Chain "stretch" is caused by lack of lubrication and then the chain’s pitch grows in length as it wears. The growth comes from the bushings wearing with the chain pins. Over time, the inner diameter of these bushings increases and the pins groove out. Measure the length of 10 links and then divide by 10 to get the average pitch. If it's 0.5% greater than the original pitch (or more), it's time for a new chain, and perhaps new sprockets.
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Have you checked to see that the pin in the drive wheel is intact on the left side? Does the chain actually skip on the sprocket when you turn the track?
Yeah!!!!! I am going to need some visual aids to explain that one. BROTHER!!!!!!
 

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Yeah!!!!! I am going to need some visual aids to explain that one. BROTHER!!!!!!
Think of it as an axle wearing out a bronze bushing. As the bushing becomes elongated you get more play in the axle. With a chain, since they're all linked together, as the bushings elongate the chain grows in length increasing the pitch. The pitch is the distance from one link to the next.
 
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I ordered a drive chain. Its kind of a hope and a prayer. The chain is really worn but I dont think its slipping. Next step is a new transmission because I dont think these are serviceable at all.
 

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Is it possible to add fluid at all? I feel like it might have been slowly leaking out while I was using it but couldnt be sure if it was oil or just rusty water dripping off.
Here is how you check your transmission fluid:
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Is yours in the serial number range that need to have the external oil tank retrofitted? If so, I would do that, too.
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Parts are in the upper left of the diagram.
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Chain "stretch" is caused by lack of lubrication and then the chain’s pitch grows in length as it wears. The growth comes from the bushings wearing with the chain pins. Over time, the inner diameter of these bushings increases and the pins groove out. Measure the length of 10 links and then divide by 10 to get the average pitch. If it's 0.5% greater than the original pitch (or more), it's time for a new chain, and perhaps new sprockets.
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Have you checked to see that the pin in the drive wheel is intact on the left side? Does the chain actually skip on the sprocket when you turn the track?
I always learn something from your posts Tabora.
 

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Here is how you check your transmission fluid:
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Is yours in the serial number range that need to have the external oil tank retrofitted? If so, I would do that, too.
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Parts are in the upper left of the diagram.
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Thanks for the help. I don't believe mine needs the external tank. Mine is a HSS1332ACTD SAFA-1015166.

Is it best to use a popsicle stick or something to check the level? I'll give it a try thanks.
 

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Is it best to use a popsicle stick or something to check the level? I'll give it a try thanks.
Someone told me that they used a black zip tie with a sharp 90 degree bend at the 2.5" mark. I have not had to do it myself.
 

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Is anyone able to find any info/parts diagrams? They have some on there website but nothing for this specific transmission. I will try emailing them.

Havent checked the oil level yet its really tight access. Need to do more disassmebling. And I am kind of worried about letting air into the system.
 

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