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Break time is break time. Nobody is special because they pratice a particular religion...... common sense needs to rule over political correctness. They are there supposed to do a job. If they don't like it - they don't have to work there. It really is that simple. Not hard to understand except for the media - they seem a bit dense.
 

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This is the first post on Ariens' Facebook page.

A letter from Dan Ariens:

I understand that the headline and story featured on WBAY appears to be alarming news about Ariens Company. It is alarming to me as well. Unfortunately this headline does not tell our story very well. As many of you know, my family has operated manufacturing businesses in Northeast Wisconsin for more than 80 years. You also may know that we have only been successful by operating under a set of Core Values. We will: Be Honest, Be Fair, Keep our Commitments, Respect the Individual and Encourage Intellectual Curiosity. We work very hard as a team to accommodate all employees with our vision of Passionate People who Astound our Customers. In our manufacturing plants we work as a team to build the best power equipment product. Like any accommodation, we put a considerable amount of time into finding a solution that would work for both the employees and the company. Our staff is committed to providing a great place to work for all employees and have met with members of our Somalian employee group to better understand their needs. We consulted with local representatives who are of Muslim faith to help provide sustainable solutions. We want to be clear that no one was terminated here. We are asking employees to use two scheduled breaks for religious observation, and are offering designated prayer rooms. Additionally, we are also offering to look for positions on other shifts that might better accommodate prayer obligations. This change affected 53 employees. More than ten of the employees have contacted Ariens Company to say they will return to work under the new policy. And we welcome their return. We continue to be open to any of the employees returning to work under the new policy and I have sent a letter to each of them re-stating that offer. Let me be clear: we respect their faith, we respect the work they have done at Ariens, and we respect their decision regardless of their choice to return to work or not. Headlines do not make a story. If you want more details, please let me know.

Sincerely,
Dan Ariens
It also has a link to a news story.
WBAY - Ariens to hold news conference on employee prayer break policy - January 18, 2016
 

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Since it's Ariens . . . I wouldn't expect them to allow 50 of anyone to take a break for prayer or anything else that wasn't scheduled since it's an assembly plant and everyone is needed at a station for the work to flow smoothly.

If you're religious and you need accommodations for whatever it's something you need to iron out when you apply for a job and unfortunately it might not be something some employers can do.

I'm just not sure why they were hired in the first place if the Co. knew they needed breaks that weren't the designated ones ??

Now if only the airlines would quit with the "emotional support pets" ...

 

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when I first started working at henry's I was a truck driver. there was a guy that practiced the muslim faith that was a hi-li driver for Dearborn stamping plant receiving dock. at 7:35 every night he went to pray and no freight got received, it didn't take his supervisor that he couldn't work that or any other dock
 

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what ever happened to appreciating being gainfully employed , and realizing who butters yer toast ??? jmo
 

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Are You ( ) Kidding Me?

Ariens to hold news conference on employee prayer break policy
Andrea Hay
By Andrea Hay
Published: January 15, 2016, 5:26 pm Updated: January 18, 2016, 4:44 pm
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Updated: 12:51 p.m. CST Jan. 18, 2016.

Ariens Manufacturing will hold a news conference Monday at 2 p.m. to discuss the company’s prayer-on-the-job policy, which drew pushback from dozens of Muslim employees.

The Brillion-based company’s Chairman/CEO Dan Ariens will address the media. Action 2 News will be there and have coverage tonight.

Read a statement from Dan Ariens below.

Before last Thursday, Somali Muslims employed by Ariens were allowed to leave the production line twice a shift to pray two of the five prayers their faith requires of them daily. They prayed five minutes at a time, designating their specific duties to colleagues.

A spokesperson for the Brillion-based equipment manufacturer said in a statement, in part:

We are asking employees to pray during scheduled breaks in designated prayer rooms. Our manufacturing environment does not allow for unscheduled breaks in production.”
Those affected said praying only during a meal break goes against Muslim practice.

“If someone tells you, ‘You pray on your break,’ and the break time is not the prayer time? It will be impossible to pray,” said Green Bay Masjid Imam Hasan Abdi.

Former Ariens equipment painter Ibrahim Mehemmed held out his unemployment packet and told us, “We pray by the time. So they say, ‘If you don’t pray at the break time,’ they give us this [unemployment] paper to just leave.”

“We are open to any of the employees returning to work under the new policy or will look for openings in shifts that do not coincide with prayer time,” read a statement from Ariens. “We respect their faith, and we respect their decision regardless of their choice to return to work or not.”

An Ariens spokesperson says the policy change impacts 53 workers, ten of which have indicated they wish to stay in their current positions under the new policy.

According to law listed by the Equal Opportunity Employment Commission, “an employer does not have to accommodate an employee’s religious beliefs or practices if doing so would cause undue hardship to the employer… [such as] decreased efficiency” (read the law here).

“I have been 35 years in America and I’ve never heard of a company that is not allowing its employees to pray five minutes. It is absolutely discrimination on its face,” said Adan Hurr.

“Allow me to pray so that I can go back to work and do what I love to do, which is working for Ariens. But we are not allowed to do that. Yesterday what happened was just a travesty,” he said.

Imam said he has concerns for the future of the Muslim population in Green Bay. “If they got fired now, there’s no way they’ll get to stay in Green Bay. They’ll have to move to find work,” he said.

Ariens Company tells Action 2 News they “put a considerable amount of effort into finding a solution that allows for employees of Muslim faith to pray during work hours.”

“We met with members of our Somalian employee group to better understand their needs and consulted with local representatives of Muslim faith,” a spokesperson wrote.

Dan Ariens, President and CEO of Ariens, released this statement:

A letter from Dan Ariens:
I understand that the headline and story featured on WBAY appears to be alarming news about Ariens Company. It is alarming to me as well. Unfortunately this headline does not tell our story very well. As many of you know, my family has operated manufacturing businesses in Northeast Wisconsin for more than 80 years. You also may know that we have only been successful by operating under a set of Core Values. We will: Be Honest, Be Fair, Keep our Commitments, Respect the Individual and Encourage Intellectual Curiosity. We work very hard as a team to accommodate all employees with our vision of Passionate People who Astound our Customers. In our manufacturing plants we work as a team to build the best power equipment product. Like any accommodation, we put a considerable amount of time into finding a solution that would work for both the employees and the company. Our staff is committed to providing a great place to work for all employees and have met with members of our Somalian employee group to better understand their needs. We consulted with local representatives who are of Muslim faith to help provide sustainable solutions. We want to be clear that no one was terminated here. We are asking employees to use two scheduled breaks for religious observation, and are offering designated prayer rooms. Additionally, we are also offering to look for positions on other shifts that might better accommodate prayer obligations. This change affected 53 employees. More than ten of the employees have contacted Ariens Company to say they will return to work under the new policy. And we welcome their return. We continue to be open to any of the employees returning to work under the new policy and I have sent a letter to each of them re-stating that offer. Let me be clear: we respect their faith, we respect the work they have done at Ariens, and we respect their decision regardless of their choice to return to work or not. Headlines do not make a story. If you want more details, please let me know.
Sincerely,
Dan Ariens
 

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I saw this story today on Fox News today, complete with pictures from the Ariens manufacturing plant.

Here's the print story from Fox:

Dozens of Muslims leave company that limits prayer to scheduled breaks
Dozens of Muslims leave company that limits prayer to scheduled breaks | Fox News

Good luck finding a job in the North Woods in mid January.........
I guess the most ambitious among them could always buy a show shovel and go house to house like we use to do when we were kids looking to improve on our allowances, if we even got one.
 

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We took religion out of schools to be politically correct and not offend other cultures. But a company that has a set a rules that agreed upon has to bend the rules for praying time. People need to wake up the laws, rules,company policy etc are for everyone not just certain people. In certain country's there allowed to stone people in the street does this mean because it allowed there it should be allowed in North America? Where does it stop?? Ariens is right to follow there rules here in my opinion
 

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I wonder if Muslim countries allow non-Muslim citizens or residents to observe traditional holidays with time off from work.
 

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Religion is a touchy subject and not appropriate for this forum and inappropriate comments will be dealt with. We need to respect every persons beliefs along with every company's right to conduct business. We are not in a position to make the rules or laws, that's up to the legal system.

If it gets out of hand you may find this thread locked or deleted so keep it friendly.
 

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I am now 62 years old(retired at 55) and i am really sad to see how our country has declined. I managed a textile finishing plant for many years and had 130 men under me. It was a production based facility and each team was made up of 5 to 8 men. If one wasn't working that line stopped. We had a designated 10 minute break in the morning a 30 minute lunch and a 10 minute break in the afternoon. You could not just walk off the line whenever you wanted to or you would be looking for a new job pretty fast. if you needed to go to the bathroom you needed to ask a supervisor to get a person in to relieve you for that time so that production doesn't stop, not just walk off the job to go. There was a time when people took pride in their work and were grateful for gainful employment and worked for companies for life. On the other side of the coin companies in the past treated their employees more like family then just an employee. I have nephews that change jobs every year or two. Maybe i'm just old but i don't understand it.
 

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I'm with you Carl- 32+ years in a production plant. I signed a employment contract that stated the break's in a 8or10 hour day. You had 'designated' breaks (not your choice of times) so the line could shut down and everyone could break at same time. One person off the line either shut the line down or others had to 'try' to do double duty to try and cover the absence. This employment contract didn't fit with you.. you keep looking for a job that would.
 

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Great post LillBear.

We took religion out of schools to be politically correct and not offend other cultures. But a company that has a set a rules that agreed upon has to bend the rules for praying time. People need to wake up the laws, rules,company policy etc are for everyone not just certain people. In certain country's there allowed to stone people in the street does this mean because it allowed there it should be allowed in North America? Where does it stop?? Ariens is right to follow there rules here in my opinion
 

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I started my own thread on this, but I guess SBF added it to this thread. What is not shown, I stated...

I go to work to work and get paid, not to pray.

The last time I prayed at work was 09-11-01
 

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I am not in HR, a lawyer, or stay at a Holiday Inn recently, but in my current vocation, I have had to take a Constitutional Law class or two. I faintly remember a similar case stemming from a member of a Seventh-Day Adventist church taking a case to the SCOTUS, about being forced to work on Saturday.

Albeit, I can not remember the exact title to the case, and my Con-Law books are currently in my classroom, I'm at home.

I did find an HR website, that seems to address the issue from that angle, and I would be pretty certain that Ariens and their lawyers, have looked this over quite a bit, from all angles.

Here's the site:

Religious Accommodation for Workers | HR Topics for human resources
 

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These people seem to have enjoyed working for Ariens and did a good job. I just think it's a sign of times. I don't know if you'd call this backlash against the Muslim community, or just the company deciding it wants to get it's schedules back in line. Religious freedom can be a slippery slope. I don't have a big problem with what Ariens did and I'm sure they tried to work things out.
 

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Religion is a touchy subject and not appropriate for this forum and inappropriate comments will be dealt with. We need to respect every persons beliefs along with every company's right to conduct business. We are not in a position to make the rules or laws, that's up to the legal system.

If it gets out of hand you may find this thread locked or deleted so keep it friendly.
HCBPH: No one is talking about religion in this thread. The discussion is about labor law and traditional US workplace culture.

A point of clarity: A "religion" within the meaning of the US Constitution can be separated church from state.

What is discussed in the Ariens article is thus not about "religion." Rather, it is an alternative form of government which, in this case, is antithetical to and trying to change US labor law and workplace culture.

And as an American I completely disagree with you:
We are not in a position to make the rules or laws, that's up to the legal system.
We are Americans and we are in the position to make our rules and laws. We fought a revolution for that right. Let's maintain it.

Just sayin'. In a friendly Patriotic manner. (I hope Patriotism isn't against the forum rules...)
 
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