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I sprayed some "snow blower spray" (Silicone spray) onto the chute and other snow contact points a few hours ago. I put 2 oz of Seafoam into the tank and ran it through. After that I took the main jet off as well as the "cup" where the float sits. I used carb cleaner and some copper wire to clean everything. Reinstalled it all, started up the machine, adjusted the carb screw until it ran better than it has run before. Took a few passes in some really slushy stuff and.. WOW! Completely different machine now. Absolutely worth the $200 I paid. 100% happy with it now. Thanks for all the recommendations as well.


Hey all,

I have an older Noma 8/24, pull start unit. I picked it up in Fall for $200 so I would not have to deal with another winter of shoveling snow. Changed the spark plug, made sure everything was in decent running condition as best as I could. Oil looked good. Fuel was topped off. Up to this point we've had minor dustings to an inch of snow. Last night we received approx. 4" of snow, then .15" of ice, then rain on top of all that as temps were rising.

This morning I started the machine, let it idle for several minutes, walked it to the front yard and began trying to clear the driveway, path and some road in front of the driveway:


The slushy mess that was there kept throwing out really hard cylinders of ice that didn't break when they hit the ground. At other points it was clogging up the chute to the point where the machine would almost shut off. I had to back out of the auger, take a broom handle and clear the chute, then proceed. I did this multiple times, every 30-60 seconds it seemed. Eventually the machine started to shut off and I had to restart it with the choke on. It was to the point where it ran better with the choke on than off, but wouldn't throw snow unless the choke was off (too much fuel of course).

So, after spending a good 2 hours barely clearing my driveway I broke out the shovel to finish the job. Now the Noma is sitting outside to think about things:


I'm on the verge of throwing in the white flag on the Noma and picking up something newer. My neighbor across the street has a small Honda, and that worked well for them. Should I give 'er one more try with a lighter snow or just sell the Noma now and get something else?

Example here on my local Craiglist, and Ariens 926le for $550:


Thanks!

-Rick
 

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If I were you I'd install an impeller kit and keep it and start advertising it next year, about November. Nobody is buying blowers now. As another forum member just posted in another thread, they're all thinking grills and jet skis. Snowblowers are the last thing people are buying.
 

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Yea, sounds like it needs an impeller kit. Could also be that the valves on the engine need adjusted. Might need the carb cleaned too. No snow blower works well in the conditions you mentioned.


 

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I'd suggest the impeller kit and that you check the engines RPM to see if it's up where it should be, usually around 3600-3900. Make sure your belt(s) are adjusted correctly as heavy wet snow is hard to toss even with everything perfect.
I'd wait for a lighter snow to see how it performs before you list it as it should be capable of clearing your driveway and with the impeller mod should do the wet stuff too.

If you don't have a big driveway and from the photos it doesn't look like one, that Noma should get the job done.
 

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I'd take belt cover off and make sure impeller belt is indeed getting tight enough and not slipping under load. As far as engine sounds like carb needs good cleaning (main jet)- Impeller kit is a plus.
 

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I had those conditions last year after a snow rain mix. I started out with the 521E but it got sooo icy traction became a problem. I got the 826 out cause it has chains ( I didn't have the 824 at the time ), it had traction but the snow changed to rain. after awhile the slush was too heavy to be blown. keep the noma and add an impeller kit. if you want another snowblower get it
 

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Missed adding that getting a newer and or bigger more expensive unit doesn't guarantee it's going to do any better in the slush than the Noma.
 

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Thanks for all the responses! This is what I saw back in Fall when I popped the bottom cover off:


I'm heading to Home Depot to pick up some silicone spray and new skids (Figure that might help things slightly):


Seems they do not have impeller kits so I'll look into that as well on here. Any recommended sources or make it myself? I do need to open up the carb and see what's going on in there. I'm not a huge carb fan in terms of knowledge, though. All my vehicles are fuel injected and I've only owned one vehicle with a carb. My motorcycles that had carbs didn't last long before I sold them to upgrade to MPI or other FI'd bikes.

FWIW: My driveway is approx. 65 feet long by 7-9 feet wide at spots. I have my 4 vehicles parked there and my fiance's 1 vehicle. So I'd say only about the first 30 feet are what I want cleared.

Thanks again,
 

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hopefully you've replaced those skids, if the noma were mine I would get armor skids for it
you can buy a clarance impeller kit or make your own if you have the materials needed ( I bought mine )
there are a few visa posted on the forum and on you tube on how to clean a carb
 

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hopefully you've replaced those skids, if the noma were mine I would get armor skids for it
you can buy a clarance impeller kit or make your own if you have the materials needed ( I bought mine )
there are a few visa posted on the forum and on you tube on how to clean a carb
We have these:
Arnold Universal Slide Shoe Set-490-241-0010 - The Home Depot

And these:
Ariens Steel Skid Shoes for Ariens Snow Blowers (2-Pack)-72101100 - The Home Depot

In stock at my local Home Depot, so I am going to measure what distance I need then head out to pick them up.

Thanks on the carb & impeller info as well.
 

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what are your plans for the noma
do you plan to keep it
sell it
keep the noma and get the ariens or some other brand
if your plan is to sell it and just get the ariens the cheap steel skids should do but if you keep it as a back up for the ariens I would go with the poly skids, make it as good as you can that way when you have to use it it's set up to be as good as it can be. my two working 521's have armor skids and so does my 826. I haven't checked the belts on the 826 but if one of them broke the 521's are set up to do the job. the 824 has poly skids patterened after armor skids
 

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The poor performance was 10% related to the snowblower and 90% related to the snow! ;) most 2- stage snowblowers do very poorly in wet slushy snow..try it again in 6" of fluffy powder at 20 degrees and the difference will be stunning...I agree an impeller kit would help, but overall this particular snowfall wasnt a "fair test" of the machine..

Here in western NY "wet" snowfalls where the temp is near freezing (32F, zero C) is the exception, maybe 10% of snowfalls..its usually colder with snow that is "better" for throwing...but I see you are in SE PA..in your climate, warmer wetter snow is more of the rule than the exception..which means the majority of 2 stage machines are going to struggle...your climate is probably better suited to a single stage, they do better in 1" to 4" slushy snowfalls than 2 stage machines do..but the old Noma can probably still be a fine machine for you, an impeller kit would fix it right up.

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I sprayed some "snow blower spray" (Silicone spray) onto the chute and other snow contact points a few hours ago. I put 2 oz of Seafoam into the tank and ran it through. After that I took the main jet off as well as the "cup" where the float sits. I used carb cleaner and some copper wire to clean everything. Reinstalled it all, started up the machine, adjusted the carb screw until it ran better than it has run before. Took a few passes in some really slushy stuff and.. WOW! Completely different machine now. Absolutely worth the $200 I paid. 100% happy with it now. Thanks for all the recommendations as well.
 

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In your picture of the bottom, make sure that the disk drive plate is real nice and clean. The wheel piece with the rubber is the friction wheel, that rides on the plate.
If there is any oil on it it will slip, make sure that is nice and clean while you have the cover dropped.
I think you just need some fine tuning, and like said most machines don't work on the slushy snow.

I took this crummy video of my new (old) Snow Bird today. http://www.snowblowerforum.com/forum/snowbird-snowblowers/29233-vintage-1963-snowbird-4.html
My Craftsman did not push the slush that much better then the Bird did.
But I finished up with the Craftsman as it is easier to maneuver around.
That clogged up a few times too. I don't have any impeller mods done on either.

I agree keep it, and give it another chance. This slushy wet snow sucks!

We have threads on the impeller mods.
Here is one, search impeller modifications with the search feature for more.
http://www.snowblowerforum.com/forum/ariens-snowblowers/6866-thoughts-paddle-kits.html
 

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A second look at the picture and your chain looks dry?
You should lube it up, along with everything else.

I am still waiting to find a place that sells this SILKOLENE for using as lube on the old Snow Bird.

I have yet to make a stop at a motorcycle dealer they should stock this.
It is not cheap but is supposed to work well, especially on chains.

Silkolene - Fuchs.

Make sure all of your machine is properly lubed.
That friction wheel should have an adjustment too, do you have a manual?
If so it should tell you in there, if not someone here should be able to direct you to one?

If your tires take air make sure they are aired up right, every little thing helps.:)
 
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