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Toro Power Max HD 828 OAE Review

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#1 · (Edited)
Greetings,

Just leaving my experience here for any future lurkers. Product: Link (Model 38838). Purchased new in January 2021.

I live in NJ, where our storms can drop 1 ft. of snow, easily, and they tend to happen sparsely. Perhaps, the snowblower sees use 2-3 times per winter? I live on a property whose driveway and footpaths aren't laid out in a common way. At certain spots, I have to thread the needle with the snowblower, and aim the discharge with some precision. This machine can do 90° turns on footpaths of typical sidewalk width, even if there's edging.

I really like the Quick Stick. I find its name to be 100% appropriate: it's fast and easy to use.

I like the recoil start. It's reliable and I don't lose sleep at night, thinking I'll have problems during the next storm. That said, the unit is very new. (Note: To start a warm engine, don't prime it or engage the choke. First, try simply pulling the starter. If that doesn't work after 2-3 pulls, then introduce the other starter options one by one.) The electric start bailed me out when I couldn't get the recoil to work (but that was my fault; I unknowingly flooded the engine).

I dislike that it doesn't have hand warmers. I didn't think I'd want them. I thought, this model is already full of bells and whistles! I can just man up. Turns out, hand warmers are helpful. I thought I could just wear gloves, but it's not that simple. If you have a big storm, you're feathering the throttle clutch, while engaging the auger. And that big, heavy machine needs some operator strength to run it straight, and to avoid contacting the ground with the auger. And sometimes you might not have the patience to switch gearing, instead opting to push/pull the entire machine manually. And maybe your gloves aren't very grippy. This all leads to my right hand getting kind of sore. So the gloves literally come off. I have a strong suspicion I'll get used to it over time, but I'm just saying that hand warmers are more important than I thought.

At the time of this write-up, if you want hand warmers, Toro's 2-stage product line will force you to make tricky decisions. Hand warmers are available for the top-of-the-line Compact model, and for Heavy Duty, it's the 1030 and up. If only they offered it for the lower-tier Heavy Duty models!

I like the controls. I have experience with no other snowblowers. The controls are intuitive. Your left hand controls the throttle clutch and discharge chute. Your right hand controls the auger and transmission. The work flow is sensible. Your left hand can engage both the drive and auger, freeing your right hand to reach across the control board to adjust the discharge chute. This is not a seamless experience, but it's comfortable enough. I can put it another way: I wouldn't pay another $100 for improved controls.

I had a bad experience that involved the manual. It's unclear how to engage/disengage the fuel shut-off. My advice is to ignore the position of the valve in the illustrations and instead completely focus on the direction of the arrow.

I dislike Toro's support. Their support system is comprised of a customer service department that can address things like ordering, or account support. For mechanical or technical questions, your sources of expertise are your local dealers. (Of course, you can always call Toro dealers that aren't local, but they wouldn't appreciate the nuances of your locality, like weather and ethanol-free fuel availability.) This all means that as a Toro owner, you don't have a single source of truth, aside from the manual, for technical questions. Edit (2/17/2021): I just asked a technical question to customer service. They referenced the manual, and then escalated the question to a supervisor. I wasn't able to get a definitive answer, but at least they tried.

I've run Avgas in it without issue, but only for a short time.

I like the headlight. It proved its value very early in its life, as it helped me get the job done an hour before the Superbowl.

It feels planted, robust, and powerful. I think for the vast majority of us (at least in NJ), this snowblower will have everything you need.

Best of luck and hope this was helpful.
 
#2 ·
Thanks for the write up! My younger brother recently bought this same machine. He likes it very well.

I fully agree with your opinion regarding the lack of an option for heated grips on this machine. Some people want heated grips, while other folks not so much. What would it cost Toro to boost the engine's alternator another few amps to run the heated grips if the customer wanted- maybe increase the engine's cost by $10?
 
#4 ·
Thanks for the write up! My younger brother recently bought this same machine. He likes it very well.

I fully agree with your opinion regarding the lack of an option for heated grips on this machine. Some people want heated grips, while other folks not so much. What would it cost Toro to boost the engine's alternator another few amps to run the heated grips if the customer wanted- maybe increase the engine's cost by $10?
Thanks for reading!

Maybe they're doing some product line 4D chess strategerie. Consider this. If I wanted a 2-stager with hand warmers, my options start with a Compact 826, and the next step up is a HD 1030. That's too large of a gap. Are they trying to funnel those with a power preference to the 1030? It didn't work for me. I chose power and sacrificed hand warmers at the HD 828.
 
#3 ·
I have a question; when you refer to feathering the throttle I assume you're talking about engaging / disengaging the drive control? And if you are muscling the machine to keep the auger from hitting the ground, your skid shoes might not be set correctly.
 
#5 ·
I have a question; when you refer to feathering the throttle I assume you're talking about engaging / disengaging the drive control?
Yes but to be precise, a rapid engaging/disengaging motion, using the least lever movement possible. To do this, my hand is almost fully extended.

Preferring control and feel, I took off my gloves. With gloves, it was slippery and I couldn't understand the machine's feedback as well as without gloves. That's why I think this might not be an issue over time.

And if you are muscling the machine to keep the auger from hitting the ground, your skid shoes might not be set correctly.
Absolutely. When I have time, I'm going to evaluate that. My driveway is flat, but my sidewalk is imperfect. It also felt like the auger was contacting my brick footpath. That one is a head scratcher.
 
#6 ·
Maybe they're doing some product line 4D chess strategerie. Consider this. If I wanted a 2-stager with hand warmers, my options start with a Compact 826, and the next step up is a HD 1030. That's too large of a gap. Are they trying to funnel those with a power preference to the 1030? It didn't work for me. I chose power and sacrificed hand warmers at the HD 828.
I'm sure the marketing department makes their best guess as to what features will result in the most sales & profits. And/or, as you suggested, perhaps marketing believes the buyer will move up to the larger machine. It would seem that the logic is very simple- snow = cold weather = cold hands possible = install heated grips. But- I am an engineer, not a marketing guy.
 
#8 ·
Thanks for the write-up. My wife does not let me spend the amount of money to buy a new Toro, so I have to buy older ones on CL and FB and fix them up. 😀

I did buy a new Husqvarna a few years ago that had hand warmers . . . Not worth it IMO. A good set of gloves with liners will do the same.

The 'OAE' is the OHV engine, Auto-steer, Electric start (Right?) I think you need the 'H' in the model for hand warmers, The 828 being about 8 HP (11.50 torque) for 28" width may be a slight bit low, but Toro's tend to be efficient at throwing snow, so it is probably fine.

My dream machine is an 1128 OXE and I have been eyeballing some on CL and FB. 'X' is trigger steering, if I recall correctly.

I do like the metal chute on the new Toros . . . the plastic chute on the prior models makes the machine look 'MTD' - ish, and I would imagine the change may have been marketing driven to compete better with Ariens.
 
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Thanks for the write-up. My wife does not let me spend the amount of money to buy a new Toro, so I have to buy older ones on CL and FB and fix them up. 😀
Thanks for reading!

I get you! My wife and I didn't arrive at that price lightly. It was a little painful spending that much. But I'm not knowledgeable enough with these machines to work on them (though I hope to be, one day).

I did buy a new Husqvarna a few years ago that had hand warmers . . . Not worth it IMO. A good set of gloves with liners will do the same.
I agree. My gloves have decent grips, but they're a bit too big, and my hands end up sliding around inside them. The experience should be much better if I get proper-fitting gloves.

The 'OAE' is the OHV engine, Auto-steer, Electric start (Right?)
I believe so!

My dream machine is an 1128 OXE and I have been eyeballing some on CL and FB. 'X' is trigger steering, if I recall correctly.
All the best to you getting that dream machine!

I do like the metal chute on the new Toros . . . the plastic chute on the prior models makes the machine look 'MTD' - ish, and I would imagine the change may have been marketing driven to compete better with Ariens.
As a first-time snowblower buyer, the plastic chutes brought pause. After some research, I learned that they're very strong plastic, but I guess, sometimes plastic parts (even if 100% functional) suggest inferior quality. (But if it were lighter than metal and thus easier to maneuver, cheaper to make, and just as strong as metal in its application as a chute, then that's an easy sell. It's harder to believe such a thing though, without someone doing some sort of stress test on, say, YouTube.)

IMHO the snowblower division is given a overall budget for improvements/changes and has to spend within those constraints from year to year. It may give the appearance of "funneling" towards other models but I think it's more of living within a given budget and deciding how to spend those dollars.
That also is feasible, and I thought the same thing. If hand warmers were made available for the middle-tier Compact model, and taken away from the 1030, that would look silly.
 
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I'd be less concern about the plastic chute but would be more concern about the plastic dashboard, especially the joy stick.
when I looked at the 2015-2016 model when they first introduced that dash design on fb marketplace, they all look discolored from UV.
I have a Toro lawn mower with personal pace function. The personal pace bar is made of the same plastic and after a few years of pushing that plastic, it starts to become wobbly.
 
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I'd be less concern about the plastic chute but would be more concern about the plastic dashboard, especially the joy stick.
when I looked at the 2015-2016 model when they first introduced that dash design on fb marketplace, they all look discolored from UV.
I have a Toro lawn mower with personal pace function. The personal pace bar is made of the same plastic and after a few years of pushing that plastic, it starts to become wobbly.
That's odd. My Super Recycler with Personal Pace is about 14 years old and the black plastic, while discolored some, feels the same as it ever has.

To the OP, when it comes to handwarmers I know Toro officially does the same thing with the 928 by not offering them at all, but others here verified it has the same stator as the 1028 which comes with handwarmers. I haven't heard of anybody doing it on the 828. I'd start by finding out whether or not the stator can handle it.

I really don't understand what Toro is thinking by not making handwarmers optional. These are premium machines, after all.
 
#12 ·
Thanks for the write up. I bought a used Toro 826LE repowered with a Tecumseh 10.5 HP engine. Bought it to upgrade from my craftsman 24 inch 208cc motor. The extra power makes all the difference in the EOD piles the plows make on my driveway. I wish I had hand warmers but there has only been one time this winter my hands were freezing after clearing the snow.
 
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I purchased the 8/28 HD at the beginning of October 2022. Had our first snowfall today, 3-4 inches on Nov 16. Temperature was 28F. Had high expectations, but quickly found out this machine is under powered. Even in the slowest speed the machine struggled to blow the snow. Going though the 10 inch snowbank, I had to stop and allow the snow to evacuate the chute, otherwise it would have stalled out. I can't see how this machine will clear away a 10 inch snowfall. I'm seriously considering selling this unit and going with Ariens.
 
#21 ·
A bit of adjustment may be the only issue. Otherwise it goes back. But if there is not some catastrophic mistake, then just a belt or such, or auger backwards...
The snow comes out of the chute throwing it a good distance, but the machine is lacking power to throw the snow, and you hear the engine forcing to move ahead. I bought this Toro to replace a 10 hp Bolens that was 30 years old, and that machine would have blown the snow 40 feet in 5th gear, with power to spare. Maybe I'm just used to a more powerful engine. I'm going to call my dealership and see what they recommend
 
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I'm not an expert, but I think when manufacturers claim it can clear 10 inches of snow, that's probably fresh light snow and not hard packed heavy end of driveway stuff that will cause any blower to bog down.

The main reason I upgraded to my Toro was to get more power. Went from a 208cc engine to 358cc. Don't get your emotions hurt cause the blower can't keep up. As the kids story said, "slow and steady wins the race".

You may need to tighten up/adjust something or clean the friction disc etc.

When I have real heavy snow I just attack half of it at a time. Sometimes you need to stop moving forward and let the auger clear that mess first.
 
#33 ·
On the cable for the auger there is a screw and a jamb nut that can be tightened/loosened to get the auger control tighter. I would try that as well. You can see it in the last picture.

Check some YouTube videos for how to do that.
 
#34 ·
On the cable for the auger there is a screw and a jamb nut that can be tightened/loosened to get the auger control tighter. I would try that as well. You can see it in the last picture.

Check some YouTube videos for how to do that.
Thanks, simply disappointing that something out of the factory, and then setup and tried by a dealership, would require adjusting.
 
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Skid height is one issue.
The picture skews things but please check the alignment of the tensioner pulley with the upper and lower front pulleys.
Confirm auger is moving as well as impeller tightness... i mean, like above, check belt tightness. Machine off. Auger control on and off. Check belt brake is in proper orientation. Rare. But does occasionally get swapped to wrong side of belt. If you have one. Pulley, belt, brake. Moves with the auger control and tension pulley.

Scraper bar is correct? as in mounted well? Adjust height of bar by raising or lowering skids. For uneven surface or gravel go high. Otherwise 1/8 minimum.
Chassis square with box?
 
#36 ·
Again testing without snow, everything works. But against heavy snow it needs to be tweaked. I had to do the same with my used Toro that was new to me last year.

Only the pros know what need to be done without needing a snowfall. Don't get bent out of shape.
 
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Re-adjusted the skids, seems better with less drag, although still marking the paving stones.
I do not see any paint removed from in the bucket, so I'm assuming the augur is not hitting anything.
I wanted to send a few small videos , but it seems videos are not permitted. Everything it nice and tight, belts in good condition. Everything engages when the handles are depressed, and the auger turns with vigor. Impeller has no play and turns with the main shaft along with the augers.
 

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For me the engine is lacking oomph. I get the impression even going downhill, the engine is struggling even in 1st speed. Not sure it would be able to handle 4 inches in 3rd speed.
As mentioned earlier, after the next decent snowfall, I'll have my neighbor with the same model, give it a whirl, to see if he finds it similar to his, or lacking power.