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Upgrading your snowblower lights to LED lights (Please see 1st post edit/mouseover this link)

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#1 ·
[Edit: LED technology has improved exponentially since this thread was started. Be aware that earlier posts may be somewhat outdated, and that you will likely find the most useful information in later updates. Y.R.]

In this thread, we'll talk about the do's and don'ts of LED headlight upgrades for your snowblower, and post videos and pictures of our successes.
There are many models of snowblowers that have a headlight circuit, In most cases, you can find a single wire that registers at anywhere from 12v to 20v AC (with no load) that is located somewhere on the engine, many times under the gas tank. Halogen lights are the typical light that comes with many of our snowblowers. Many of us want much more light than what the halogen bulb can give us, as well as better reliability than a halogen bulb. The search for something brighter and more reliable ends with the LED light. LED's (Light Emitting Diodes) are extremely efficient, very bright, and have thousands of hours of reliable use.
Since the lighting circuit is typically AC current at somewhere between 40-60hertz, if you just attach an LED light to the circuit you'll get pulsing light (think on and off 40-60 times a second) This is caused by the nature of an LED, because an LED is polarity sensitive, and has no warm-up or cool down time when compared to a halogen bulb filament, the LED will flicker noticeably. The flickering of an LED on AC current is mildly annoying to many people, but VERY annoying when you are attaching it to a moving object like a snowblower. An LED that is in motion when attached to AC current (for reasons I won't even begin to get into) flickers much more noticeably. To test this for yourself, take a strand of LED Christmas lights, plug them in, and then swing them in front of you at arm's length, you'll see a strobing or flickering effect.
You can see many LED headlight upgrade videos on youtube like this one, where you can definitely see the flickering or strobing of the LED's. You can see the effect the flicker has on the video camera, you get weird tracks that go from top to bottom of the video frame.
1. EXAMPLE OF IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
2. EXAMPLE OF YET AGAIN AN IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
This is what it looks like once you add a bridge rectifier, even though you’ll see a tiny bit of flicker in the video, in person there is none, you also can notice that there is no “tracking” effect like in the other videos.

The problem of light flicker is solved by using a full wave bridge rectifier.

A bridge rectifier takes AC current and changes it into DC current using 4 diodes.

By connecting the positive and negative from your LED light(s) to the DC output of your bridge rectifier, and then connecting your single headlight circuit wire to one of the AC inputs of the bridge rectifier (it doesn't matter which AC input) and then attaching a wire from the metal of your snowblower to the other AC input you will have light! For safety purposes, it is recommended that you place a fuse on the headlight circuit wire before the bridge rectifier which should be about 5 amps rated fast blow, and then a fuse on the positive wiring between your bridge rectifier and your LED light that should be about ~1amp fast blow fuses. These fuse ratings are assuming you are using a headlight circuit that is rated for ~1amp at about 18volts, some headlight circuits are rated for 2, 3, or more amps, so using an amperage calculator like this one can help with both your LED light selection and your fuse selection. Volts/Amps/Watts Converter
Here's a pic of how I installed my bridge rectifier, I mounted it right next to my keyed switch that is on my handlebar console. I also used heat sink paste to couple the bridge rectifier’s metal casing to the console’s metal. I know this is way overkill, but my bridge rectifier came with the paste, and it was an easy application of some paste. The bridge rectifier I used is rated at 50amps 100volts KBPC5010 Bridge Rectifier | Alltronics

UPDATE: Using two 2200mfd 50v capacitors may be needed to clean up the voltage ripple that comes off of the DC output on your bridge rectifier. Some LED lights are sensitive to this ripple and may fail prematurely. Simply adding these capacitors in parallel on the DC output side of the bridge rectifier is a good precaution. Wire in the Capacitor(s) between the LED light(s) and the bridge rectifier. So the positive and negative of the bridge rectifier will go to the positive and negative of the capacitor. Then the positive and negative of the capacitor then get wired to the LED(s) positive and negative.

When choosing your LED lighting you typically have spotlights or flood lights available. Spotlights have a more pinpoint dispersion with very little side spill of light. Flood lights illuminate a wider area, and with the short distances (from LED light to relevant distance in front of your snowblower) you’ll want as wide dispersion as possible, or else you’ll get a tiny area in front of you illuminated. I made sure to get floodlights that were rated for voltage below what my snowblower headlight circuit tests at and above, so being that my snowblower headlight circuit tests at 18volts I picked a set of LED floodlights that were rated for 9-32 volts. I wanted to make sure that I would never be putting the floodlights in danger with whatever voltage the headlight circuit was producing, even a small voltage peak is accounted for. The floodlights I chose are 9 watts each, which is as much as my headlight circuit is rated for.
For those that appreciate a short(ish) video with some basic points noted here is a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZwebMaiyBY
 
#484 ·
Great minds think alike :), ends were zip tied on the inside and also silicone was applied, here are some pictures of the box as well, just in case if anyone else is interested. It was $8 shipped through ebay, link is below, has nice tapped fittings inside the box to mount hardware, I was able to use couple of them to mount the rectifier. Also, comes with a nice foam gasket that seals the box real good against the elements.

Bopla 02 081606 0 P316 Enclosure Indoor Outdoor Project Box Bopla 160x75x57 Mm | eBay

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By the way, credit to AKview for the idea.
 
#485 ·
I think that is about as professional and bullet proof as it's going to get :eek:

The only small correction I'd make would be to use a knot in the wires to keep them from being pulled out instead of the tie wraps. But that fab jobs with the shrink tube is top notch.
 
#487 · (Edited)
So I installed a switch that lights up when the lights are on, three prongs on the back and here is what is suggested for wiring

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  • 12V DC power source.
  • Middle terminal – to accessory/apparatus.
  • Outer terminal – to ground.
here is the schematic that I drew up.

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By the way I am using two 20 watt CREE LED lights, hence the 6~7 AMP fuse.

My question is, would the AC current blow the tiny bulb in the switch? as the manufacturer recommends/suggests using DC power to light up the bulb within the switch, any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
#489 ·
Thanks for the input, went back and did just that to avoid any issues with the switch down the road. Basically the switch will get constant +VE direct from the rectifier's DC +ve out. The +ve out from switch will go to the capacitors/lights. The ground is tapped into the DC -ve from the rectifier/capacitor/lights.

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#492 · (Edited)
Thanks

My first post here, and just wanted to say thanks to all. I installed a pair of 10W Cree flood lights on my John Deere 1032. I used a small project box from Radio Shack to house my capacitors, rectifier, as well as serve as a spot to mount my push button on/off switch. I mounted the box directly under my ignition key. The lights work great, wow are they bright. As a side note, my Tecumseh 10hp Snowking (HMSK100) puts out 21.5 VAC at full throttle, and as such, I thought I would need a voltage regulator. But it turns out that these CREE lights can handle 24 volts, so I should be fine without a regulator. Anyway, thanks again. Couple of pics attached.

Regards, TJ
 

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My first post here, and just wanted to say thanks to all. I installed a pair of 10W Cree flood lights on my John Deere 1032. I used a small project box from Radio Shack to house my capacitors, rectifier, as well as serve as a spot to mount my push button on/off switch. I mounted the box directly under my ignition key. The lights work great, wow are they bright. As a side note, my Tecumseh 10hp Snowking (HMSK100) puts out 21.5 VAC at full throttle, and as such, I thought I would need a voltage regulator. But it turns out that these CREE lights can handle 24 volts, so I should be fine without a regulator. Anyway, thanks again. Couple of pics attached.

Regards, TJ
Install looks nice, The lights themselves look rather dim almost like there not even on:p
 
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#497 ·
I had my eye on these... 2pcs 18W Cree LED Work Light Offroad Flood Beam LED Light BAR | eBay

I just re-engined my old 70's Ariens 10/32" with this: 15 HP 420cc OHV Winter Gas Engine | Princess Auto

The label on the lighting wire coming off the engine says DC: 36W/12V. If I added these two 18W LED's that would put me right at 36W.

What do you think, can my snowblower engine handle these?
Should work great! You may still want to put a capacitor in line so that you get some clean DC, evidentally some led lights are sensitive to dirty DC.
 
#498 · (Edited)
Ok, so here is the situation with my set up. Installed everything yesterday and all went well, I am loving the output along with the fact that how cleanly everything got tucked under the control cover.

As my earlier posts suggest, I have installed a illuminated switch between the rectifier and the capacitors to be able to turn the lights on and off. Rather than being a two plug switch where all its doing is breaking/connecting the circuit this switch is a three plug switch i.e two plugs for the positive In and out and one for the ground.

The situation that I am having is that the switch lights up when the lights are turned on, when I turn them off it stays lit for 5 seconds or so and gradually goes off, this from the juice in the caps as the switch bleeds them out. I can solve this issue by installing a diode between the switch and the caps but my question is wouldnt it be better to have the switch actually bleed the caps?

Adding a diode would make sure that the light in the switch turns off the second I turn off the LEDs but at the same time it would leave the caps juiced. Where as leaving the circuit as it is would mean that the system gets bled of any current left in the caps but might affect the longevity of the led light illuminating the switch.

Thoughts?
 
#499 ·
If you can live with the fact that it takes 5 seconds for the switch LED to dim out I would leave it like that. This can also be a meter of how good your capacitor is. Later on in 10 years if the LED turns "OFF" in 1 second you'll know it's time to replace the capacitor. This will in no way reduce the life of the switch LED.
 
#501 ·
Everyone, want to jump into the pool of adding lights to the snowblower. I just got done reading the entire 50 pages of this thread, and in my head it all makes sense. Doesn't mean I won't have questions later though, and after Toolman_Johnny doing the LED light mod to his 1032 JD I'd like to add them to a 826 JD.

My initial question is - I don't have the factory optioned light so can't test to see how much it's drawing to decide on LED's, but thinking I'd be fine with 2 9w or 10watt lights. But my question is will the 826 work to power them? As looking on Jdparts.com the factory option of a light adds an alternator. But searching Jdparts I do see they show a Stator on the 826, but typical JD, something they are really good at parts descriptions, sometimes not and of course they don't state the amps of the stator. So I would almost guess a 3 amp on a 8 HP Tecumseh? If yes, I will start ordering and sourcing parts. If not well then I guess that's that!

I will attach two pictures showing the wiring.
 

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#513 ·
My initial question is - I don't have the factory optioned light so can't test to see how much it's drawing to decide on LED's, but thinking I'd be fine with 2 9w or 10watt lights. But my question is will the 826 work to power them? As looking on Jdparts.com the factory option of a light adds an alternator. But searching Jdparts I do see they show a Stator on the 826, but typical JD, something they are really good at parts descriptions, sometimes not and of course they don't state the amps of the stator. So I would almost guess a 3 amp on a 8 HP Tecumseh? If yes, I will start ordering and sourcing parts. If not well then I guess that's that!
I will attach two pictures showing the wiring.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news here, but I don't believe your engine has a stator. I know that the stock engine that came on my JD 1032 did NOT have a stator. When my orig motor blew (connecting rod broke and punched through the side of my block), the replacement engine that I installed (a Tecumseh 10hp Snowking, model HMSK100) did have a stator, which is what allowed me to add the lights.
 
#509 · (Edited)
Sorry, volts...

From researching part #'S I would say that I have a 1 Amp 18 W output.

Below is a quote from another site.


I've got a 24" Yard Machines snow blower (31AS6LCE700) with what I believe to be the largest engine (at least that I've ever seen) on a blower that width. It's a Tecumseh 10.0 HP that is 358cc (LH358SA-159517Z). The engine is an older style "flat head" which is no longer made by the now defunct Tecumseh. The engine is great, but it lacks an alternator to run a light for the snow blower. So I've researched various other MTD model snow blowers as well as similar LH358SA aka HMSK80 engines. There are several alternators to choose from:
-1 Amp (18 Watt), P/N 611111, Readily available and probably most common. It has only two coils and takes up 120 degees if the flywheel (a third of the pie!)
-3 Amp (~36 Watt @12V), P/N 611095 or P/N 611113 or P/N 611116
-3 Amp D.C., 5 Amp A.C. ( ), P/N 611104. This is for a system that uses an A.C. light, but has a battery that needs to be charged.
-7 Amp (~84 Watt @ 12V), P/N 611097 or P/N 611290



However, you need more than just an alternator to make power. The flywheel must be replaced with a flywheel which has magnets on inside ring. Flywheels:
-Flywheel matched to 1 Amp, P/N 611093?
-Flywheel matched to 3Amp, P/N 611083, or P/N611093
-Flywheel matched to 3Amp D.C./5Amp A.C., P/N 611309.
-Flywheel matched to 7Amp, P/N 611094 (5 magnets)
 
#510 ·
Normally the simple formula for determining amperes is watts divided by voltage, so I would double check his parts determination. You could always remove your flywheel and see how many copper coils you have and if more than three it would be a good sign or contact Toro with your model and serial#. If there is another way I would be most interested.
As Superedge suggested it most likely can handle your 20 watts draw as the stator would not have been built for the exact wattage draw but slightly bigger and 2 watts is next to nothing. JMO.
 
#511 ·
mfrs2000, I am still leaning towards 1 amp, since it seems very uncommon for snowblowers to have a light factory installed that doesn't take full advantage of the stator that runs the lighting circuit. You'll get a ton of light with two 10 watt cree led floodlights. I tend to recommend the cool white vs the warm white because the cool white seems brighter in most direct comparisons. The lighting on my personal blower is more of my ego on display than actual light output that is needed. :D
 
#515 ·
Hi, I haven't really said hello on the forum yet so I'll start there. I joined up recently when I came across this site while researching my first snowblower purchase. Would like to say thanks to all the great people that contribute to this forum and make it such a great place with lots of info. Thanks!

I ended up with a new 2014 Ariens 24" Platinum SHO, I've got about 5hrs on it so far and it's been great. However most of the time I use it is in the dark and I like everything to be well lit so I was all over this thread when I seen it, read it all the way through a couple times. I wouldn't have thought that the stator output is AC and wouldn't have known how to convert it to DC so this thread has been very useful.

I wanted to still have a functioning factory light just because I weird like that but didn't have the juice to run two 10w LED's, the handwarmers and the stock light so I decided I wanted a 3 position switch with a off position(no lights at all), one way for the factory light and one way for the aftermarket LEDs.

My solution was a DPDT switch, I ran the two factory AC wires into the switch on separate poles and when the switch is in the down position the AC is directed to the factory light and when the switch is in the up position the AC is directed to the bridge rectifier, then a fuse and onto two 2200uf 50V capacitors and then onto the lights. Middle position on the switch is off.

I tried to make the switch look as factory as I could, used a washer and stuff so it matched the hand warmer switch.


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Wanted to put the fuse where it was easy to access.


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Operators view (no more blinding upward light)


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And they even work! (the light is much more white than it looks in the pic)


Again thanks to everyone that contributed to this thread with info so I could learn how to upgrade from the factory light. And before someone asks no I didn't spend $200 on a set of Rigid Industries LED's they were given to me and I didn't have anywhere else to use them so figured why not.
 
#529 ·
I tried to make the switch look as factory as I could, used a washer and stuff so it matched the hand warmer switch.

Again thanks to everyone that contributed to this thread with info so I could learn how to upgrade from the factory light. And before someone asks no I didn't spend $200 on a set of Rigid Industries LED's they were given to me and I didn't have anywhere else to use them so figured why not.
Wow, super clean install JayCarver. Well done. Those lights you were gifted look fantastic. I like your cabinets too. Where did you get them?
 
#519 ·
Hello and welcome to the forum Jay. Your installation looks like it came from the factory, very nice professional looking add on.
 
#522 ·
Ah,ok then.
I checked the parts for hs1332tas as far as the bulb size and it says 12v/15watt only. Dunno how far I can go with LED output.
I'm still trying to justify going with LED swap with direct hook up (rectifier and capacitor) vs portable option run on rechargeable batteries. like one of those miner headlights or bicycle lights.
New 2000 Lumen CREE XM L T6 LED Headlight Headlamp Bicycle Bike Light Head Lamp | eBay
5000 Lumens 2X CREE XM L U2 LED Cycling Bike Bicycle Light Headlamp Headlight | eBay
HL7 - LED Headlamps
HL8 - LED Headlamps
 
#523 ·
Ah,ok then.
I checked the parts for hs1332tas as far as the bulb size and it says 12v/15watt only. Dunno how far I can go with LED output.
I'm still trying to justify going with LED swap with direct hook up (rectifier and capacitor) vs portable option run on rechargeable batteries. like one of those miner headlights or bicycle lights.
New 2000 Lumen CREE XM L T6 LED Headlight Headlamp Bicycle Bike Light Head Lamp | eBay
5000 Lumens 2X CREE XM L U2 LED Cycling Bike Bicycle Light Headlamp Headlight | eBay
HL7 - LED Headlamps
HL8 - LED Headlamps
That doesn't sound right at all, my HS928 took a 50 or 55 watt bulb (can't remember which off hand)