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Got my 27 watts Led light. It cost $50.00+tax and emits 2160 lumens.
Now does the dc alternator have "dirty voltage" like AC with bridge rectifier, in other words will I require a capacitor even though it is DC output direct from alternator.

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Hi Superedge,
Thank you for the prompt response. I'm cannot check this as the 1130DLE blower is at another garage but are you asking because 20 watts with the handwarmers might be too much of a draw on the AC side ?

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Yes, that is what I'm worried about without any documentation of what the available amperage is.
 
Hi SuperEdge here's the photo of the bulb as nowhere it indicates the wattage. To jump a step, if it is a 18 watt bulb would it harm anything if connected to the 20 watt total handwarmers? One would think there should be a couple watts leeway with the AC stator, am I off track thinking as such? Wow sorry for the pic size. Maybe it's a 100 watt bulb!:)

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Hi SuperEdge here's the photo of the bulb as nowhere it indicates the wattage. To jump a step, if it is a 18 watt bulb would it harm anything if connected to the 20 watt total handwarmers? One would think there should be a couple watts leeway with the AC stator, am I off track thinking as such? Wow sorry for the pic size. Maybe it's a 100 watt bulb!:)

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As far as what I would recommend, if it's unknown what amperage you are working with it's always best to test if possible. I would bet that if you take the bulb out of your existing headlight you would find a wattage indicated on the bulb.
I don't know much about the handwarmers, since I've never needed or had them, you'll have to do more research on why the existing handwarmers are on a DC circuit, is there any issue with switching them to an AC circuit? I wouldn't think that there would be an issue, but I could be wrong.
I'd be worried about putting a 27 watt load (led headlight) on a circuit that previously only had a 20 watt load on it.
In a nutshell I would check the wattage of the existing headlight bulb, match the led headlight to that wattage and be done with it without messing with the hand warmers. That's just what I would do, you can take the risk of burning up your stator if you'd like, you might be just fine.
Have you exhausted all options trying to find what amperage the existing circuits are rated at?
 
As far as what I would recommend, if it's unknown what amperage you are working with it's always best to test if possible. I would bet that if you take the bulb out of your existing headlight you would find a wattage indicated on the bulb.
I don't know much about the handwarmers, since I've never needed or had them, you'll have to do more research on why the existing handwarmers are on a DC circuit, is there any issue with switching them to an AC circuit? I wouldn't think that there would be an issue, but I could be wrong.
I'd be worried about putting a 27 watt load (led headlight) on a circuit that previously only had a 20 watt load on it.
In a nutshell I would check the wattage of the existing headlight bulb, match the led headlight to that wattage and be done with it without messing with the hand warmers. That's just what I would do, you can take the risk of burning up your stator if you'd like, you might be just fine.
Have you exhausted all options trying to find what amperage the existing circuits are rated at?
Thanks Superedge for your time on this. Ok as for the handwarmers I did my own install with the cheap ones from China priced at $4.00 free delivery included and they work very well. So I used the DC circuit for it simply because I had both AC and DC and the light is on the AC circuit.
Now I think I'll throw a curve to everything and would like to proceed as follow: (opinions welcomed)
Put the handwarmers (20 watts total) on the AC circuit, next since this snowblower model was meant to have a starter with 12 volt battery hence the DC alternator circuit which I'm pretty sure is meant to only charge the battery resulting as a small wattage output, I would like to entertain to put a 12 volt battery to the DC circuit and light my 27 watt Led light with it and skipping the electronics needed except for fuses. Now my next question is how long the battery would hold with the Led light. I would prefer a range of 4 hours keeping in mind the battery will still get some recharge at the same time. Battery size would be similar to what would be used to start the snowblower.
I know this is off the norm of your installs but does it make sense?
Btw I received my Led light this aft. Specs: Prerating voltage DC 10-30V
Max power 27 watt, Ingress protection: IP67
Color temperature: 6000k-6500k, 2160 lumens.

Many thanks

2008 Ariens ST1130DLE barely used so far.
 
Discussion starter · #227 ·
Thanks Superedge for your time on this. Ok as for the handwarmers I did my own install with the cheap ones from China priced at $4.00 free delivery included and they work very well. So I used the DC circuit for it simply because I had both AC and DC and the light is on the AC circuit.
Now I think I'll throw a curve to everything and would like to proceed as follow: (opinions welcomed)
Put the handwarmers (20 watts total) on the AC circuit, next since this snowblower model was meant to have a starter with 12 volt battery hence the DC alternator circuit which I'm pretty sure is meant to only charge the battery resulting as a small wattage output, I would like to entertain to put a 12 volt battery to the DC circuit and light my 27 watt Led light with it and skipping the electronics needed except for fuses. Now my next question is how long the battery would hold with the Led light. I would prefer a range of 4 hours keeping in mind the battery will still get some recharge at the same time. Battery size would be similar to what would be used to start the snowblower.
I know this is off the norm of your installs but does it make sense?
Btw I received my Led light this aft. Specs: Prerating voltage DC 10-30V
Max power 27 watt, Ingress protection: IP67
Color temperature: 6000k-6500k, 2160 lumens.

Many thanks

2008 Ariens ST1130DLE barely used so far.
Your plan would work assuming that you'll put a trickle charger on the battery when not in use. I believe that you'd probably get quadruple the time frame you're hoping for. This new plan sounds pretty good, no capacitor needed.
 
I have 3 of those smart chargers laying about with quick connects also
I plan to put a toggle switch to enable off when using during the day.

Googling around does not give me what size battery they used on snowblowers so maybe an ATV battery would be sufficient?
How does one calculate the draw time on 27 watts use?

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Discussion starter · #229 ·
I have 3 of those smart chargers laying about with quick connects also
I plan to put a toggle switch to enable off when using during the day.

Googling around does not give me what size battery they used on snowblowers so maybe an ATV battery would be sufficient?
How does one calculate the draw time on 27 watts use?

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Here you go
Let me google that for you
 
Thanks for the link Superedge, lots of calculations involved. I found a SLA battery with 8.2 A/H and by my calcs it should run for around 10 hrs?
The reason I mention this one is because Amazon have one for $53.00 free shipping and they claim is worth $100.00. The battery comes from UPGM.

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Discussion starter · #231 ·
Thanks for the link Superedge, lots of calculations involved. I found a SLA battery with 8.2 A/H and by my calcs it should run for around 10 hrs?
The reason I mention this one is because Amazon have one for $53.00 free shipping and they claim is worth $100.00. The battery comes from UPGM.

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check out Fleet Farm they typically have awesome prices on batteries
 
Thks Superedge but I'm from Canada and we have to be careful when we buy these items with duties and everything.
I spoke with the UPG Batteries people (from Texas) and they based on the 27watt, 2.25 amps draw recommend their UB12180 which is 12 volts and 18AH because of the temperature it will be operating in, they tell me the battery should last 4.67hrs with the LED light. I have found one on Amazon.ca selling for $44.00 with free shipping. I am posting this for anyone who might go this route.

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Thks Superedge but I'm from Canada and we have to be careful when we buy these items with duties and everything.
I spoke with the UPG Batteries people (from Texas) and they based on the 27watt, 2.25 amps draw recommend their UB12180 which is 12 volts and 18AH because of the temperature it will be operating in, they tell me the battery should last 4.67hrs with the LED light. I have found one on Amazon.ca selling for $44.00 with free shipping. I am posting this for anyone who might go this route.

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Very good! We expect a full report with pictures! Best of luck in your install.
 
Well I finished the complete install of handwarmer to AC stator which works well on the running test I did with it and the Led and battery with toggle switch and fused at 2 amps. BUT the Led was happy and bright when engine off drawing straight from battery. I then started the engine with everything fine at idle and here's the BUT when I full throttle the engine (3500 RPM) the Led went dark. 50 bucks kaput. The engine alternator was connected to the battery. Those light are like dark magic they're meant to handle up to 50 volts so what gives. I tested full throttle voltage and it was 17v. Dirty Voltage via the alternator connected to battery? I know now capacitor must be required and feel free to I told you so. Why don't these light have them incorporated in their circuit. I will post photos of the set up. I'm not quite sure how to size the capacitor and how for the installation.

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Well I finished the complete install of handwarmer to AC stator which works well on the running test I did with it and the Led and battery with toggle switch and fused at 2 amps. BUT the Led was happy and bright when engine off drawing straight from battery. I then started the engine with everything fine at idle and here's the BUT when I full throttle the engine (3500 RPM) the Led went dark. 50 bucks kaput. The engine alternator was connected to the battery. Those light are like dark magic they're meant to handle up to 50 volts so what gives. I tested full throttle voltage and it was 17v. Dirty Voltage via the alternator connected to battery? I know now capacitor must be required and feel free to I told you so. Why don't these light have them incorporated in their circuit. I will post photos of the set up. I'm not quite sure how to size the capacitor and how for the installation.

Many Thanks
I actually thought you'd be fine with the battery without the capacitor. When you now state that you were getting 17 volts to the battery on high rpm I'm a little worried. 17 volts is on the very high side of charging a battery from my 12volt experience, typically 16 volts is the ceiling. I don't know exactly at what point the battery is going to melt down, but I believe you are near that point at 17volts. Being that your charging circuit is far above the battery voltage I believe that the battery was no longer smoothing ripples in the voltage. I would have thought that in a charging circuit there would be some sort of smoothing of the voltage before it got to the battery. I'm wondering if your snowblower is lacking DC voltage regulation that is on the other models that came with an on board battery stock? I'm not sure what is going on here, it looks like you are wading in to territory that I may not be able to help you with since I'm not able to trouble shoot things in person. I want to help, but without knowing what everything is/was testing out at, with a reliable multimeter it is very difficult to tell. In your particular case, I would be very wary about that DC charging circuit, as it may not be acting like it should. Do you have any service manuals for your snowblower to look over to see what is supposed to be involved with the charging circuit? None of the snowblowers I've owned had an on board battery, so my experience with the charging circuits on snowblowers is zero.
 
Thanks Superedge for your quick reply. For a Multimeter I use a Milwaukee with the amp clamp and separate probes. When I tested initially at full it showed 16.6 then went to to 17v. I will make further tests at full throttle. At idle it shows 13.8v. I shall speak also to the battery supplier and get their thoughts. My unit manual doesn't mention much on the alternator. Maybe Ariens shed some light? As of now I can't.:)
 
Hi again, here's a few photo of adding a 12v battery + on the other photo the 27 watt Led Light with toggle just above to allow turning the light off during daytime.
I wrapped the battery with bubble wrap to insulate from vibration.
It was a tight fit below the gas tank (battery size 6.5"H 7"L 3.5"W)
It is 18AH which would last almost 5 hrs on its own. I normally take 1.5hr maximum for 150ft X 2.5 cars wide driveway.
 

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SuperEdge after checking with our guru small engine mechanic in my area, the wiring that is used for the light (stator) and the additional wiring for battery charging comes from the same source the stator. The battery charging circuit only involves a rectifier added to the stator circuit. Some people and as I thought there was a stator and a separate alternator.
The circuit from the stator explains the dirty voltage. The mechanic told a new rectifier regulator is around $55 bucks.
So as I read somewhere Einstein once said" It is very easy for idiots to make things more complex but much smarter the one who does the same simpler" so in this case I played both characters.
I came back and rewired eliminating the charging circuit to the battery which now the Led Light will be powered solely with the 12v battery. It is now wired with a quick connect for the trickle charger. Do you think if the negative from the stator originally meant for the AC light is now connected to the negative on battery or should simply connect to the frame? I know as of now everything works as it should.

Thank you
 
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SuperEdge after checking with our guru small engine mechanic in my area, the wiring that is used for the light (stator) and the additional wiring for battery charging comes from the same source the stator. The battery charging circuit only involves a rectifier added to the stator circuit. Some people and as I thought there was a stator and a separate alternator.
The circuit from the stator explains the dirty voltage. The mechanic told a new rectifier regulator is around $55 bucks.
So as I read somewhere Einstein once said" It is very easy for idiots to make things more complex but much smarter the one who does the same simpler" so in this case I played both characters.
I came back and rewired eliminating the charging circuit to the battery which now the Led Light will be powered solely with the 12v battery. It is now wired with a quick connect for the trickle charger. Do you think if the negative from the stator originally meant for the AC light is now connected to the negative on battery or should simply connect to the frame? I know as of now everything works as it should.

Thank you
I'm not understanding, you said that you disconnected the battery from being charged from the snowblower correct? So the battery should then have no connection to the snowblower, just the LED positive and negative. Am I missing something?
 
Yes that's correct the battery is now not connected to the engine. The DC current proved to be dirty DC.
After a snowblowing event at night I will connect the battery to a trickle charger via a quick connect wires I set up.

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