Snowblower Forum banner

Upgrading your snowblower lights to LED lights (Please see 1st post edit/mouseover this link)

1 reading
1.1M views 1.6K replies 274 participants last post by  FarmerBob  
#1 ·
[Edit: LED technology has improved exponentially since this thread was started. Be aware that earlier posts may be somewhat outdated, and that you will likely find the most useful information in later updates. Y.R.]

In this thread, we'll talk about the do's and don'ts of LED headlight upgrades for your snowblower, and post videos and pictures of our successes.
There are many models of snowblowers that have a headlight circuit, In most cases, you can find a single wire that registers at anywhere from 12v to 20v AC (with no load) that is located somewhere on the engine, many times under the gas tank. Halogen lights are the typical light that comes with many of our snowblowers. Many of us want much more light than what the halogen bulb can give us, as well as better reliability than a halogen bulb. The search for something brighter and more reliable ends with the LED light. LED's (Light Emitting Diodes) are extremely efficient, very bright, and have thousands of hours of reliable use.
Since the lighting circuit is typically AC current at somewhere between 40-60hertz, if you just attach an LED light to the circuit you'll get pulsing light (think on and off 40-60 times a second) This is caused by the nature of an LED, because an LED is polarity sensitive, and has no warm-up or cool down time when compared to a halogen bulb filament, the LED will flicker noticeably. The flickering of an LED on AC current is mildly annoying to many people, but VERY annoying when you are attaching it to a moving object like a snowblower. An LED that is in motion when attached to AC current (for reasons I won't even begin to get into) flickers much more noticeably. To test this for yourself, take a strand of LED Christmas lights, plug them in, and then swing them in front of you at arm's length, you'll see a strobing or flickering effect.
You can see many LED headlight upgrade videos on youtube like this one, where you can definitely see the flickering or strobing of the LED's. You can see the effect the flicker has on the video camera, you get weird tracks that go from top to bottom of the video frame.
1. EXAMPLE OF IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
2. EXAMPLE OF YET AGAIN AN IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
This is what it looks like once you add a bridge rectifier, even though you’ll see a tiny bit of flicker in the video, in person there is none, you also can notice that there is no “tracking” effect like in the other videos.

The problem of light flicker is solved by using a full wave bridge rectifier.

A bridge rectifier takes AC current and changes it into DC current using 4 diodes.

By connecting the positive and negative from your LED light(s) to the DC output of your bridge rectifier, and then connecting your single headlight circuit wire to one of the AC inputs of the bridge rectifier (it doesn't matter which AC input) and then attaching a wire from the metal of your snowblower to the other AC input you will have light! For safety purposes, it is recommended that you place a fuse on the headlight circuit wire before the bridge rectifier which should be about 5 amps rated fast blow, and then a fuse on the positive wiring between your bridge rectifier and your LED light that should be about ~1amp fast blow fuses. These fuse ratings are assuming you are using a headlight circuit that is rated for ~1amp at about 18volts, some headlight circuits are rated for 2, 3, or more amps, so using an amperage calculator like this one can help with both your LED light selection and your fuse selection. Volts/Amps/Watts Converter
Here's a pic of how I installed my bridge rectifier, I mounted it right next to my keyed switch that is on my handlebar console. I also used heat sink paste to couple the bridge rectifier’s metal casing to the console’s metal. I know this is way overkill, but my bridge rectifier came with the paste, and it was an easy application of some paste. The bridge rectifier I used is rated at 50amps 100volts KBPC5010 Bridge Rectifier | Alltronics

UPDATE: Using two 2200mfd 50v capacitors may be needed to clean up the voltage ripple that comes off of the DC output on your bridge rectifier. Some LED lights are sensitive to this ripple and may fail prematurely. Simply adding these capacitors in parallel on the DC output side of the bridge rectifier is a good precaution. Wire in the Capacitor(s) between the LED light(s) and the bridge rectifier. So the positive and negative of the bridge rectifier will go to the positive and negative of the capacitor. Then the positive and negative of the capacitor then get wired to the LED(s) positive and negative.

When choosing your LED lighting you typically have spotlights or flood lights available. Spotlights have a more pinpoint dispersion with very little side spill of light. Flood lights illuminate a wider area, and with the short distances (from LED light to relevant distance in front of your snowblower) you’ll want as wide dispersion as possible, or else you’ll get a tiny area in front of you illuminated. I made sure to get floodlights that were rated for voltage below what my snowblower headlight circuit tests at and above, so being that my snowblower headlight circuit tests at 18volts I picked a set of LED floodlights that were rated for 9-32 volts. I wanted to make sure that I would never be putting the floodlights in danger with whatever voltage the headlight circuit was producing, even a small voltage peak is accounted for. The floodlights I chose are 9 watts each, which is as much as my headlight circuit is rated for.
For those that appreciate a short(ish) video with some basic points noted here is a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZwebMaiyBY
 
#863 · (Edited)
#866 ·
I have a standard 2006 Sears Craftsman 26" blower with electric start. It has no lights but includes the wire lead for a light and hand warmers. A mechanic told me the output is DC and that most LEDs will already have rectifier circuits built in.


To confirm this I bought 2 Blazer LED BAJA TOUGH LEDs from Auto Zone and installed them on the front of my blower. I wired them directly to the "Headlight" lead following the included instructions and they work just fine as-is with no additional wiring, rectifiers or capacitors. The lights came with all needed wiring and lighted switch. All I added was a red 3/8" wire loom and zip ties to hold it in place.


The lights are only 283 lumens, bare minimum for me. For a few extra $$ a better choice would be a flood style light bar with 750+ lumens.
 
#876 ·
I've been reading on light mods for my Ariens the only thing thats stopping me rite now is one question? I read in another forum that the newer LCT engine have a Voltage limiter ( black power wire ) and it cuts the power to the key ( very low limit ) if so is there a way around it if not ( eg ginev on forum was a 27 watt LED and wouldn't start ) i was going 2 10w and LED replacement of original.( Will still try ) But i dont remember reading any thing about this in this thread.( and yes it was a long but educating read )
 
#887 · (Edited)
I want to update the lighting on my new Ariens 24" compact (24LE) and really like the Nilight 1260lm Fog Lights. My only concern is their 18W (ea) power draw. The stock circuit runs the Halogen light which uses approximately 20 Watts. I can't seem to find out what my stater is capable of. I have spent considerable time trying to determine the amount of current that I can safely draw. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
 
#888 ·
I want to update my lighting for my new Ariens 24" compact (24LE) and really like the Nilight 1260lm Fog Lights. The only concern is the 18W (ea) power draw. My stock halogen circuit draws approximately 20 Watts. I can't seem to find out what my stater is rated for. I have spent considerable time trying to determine the amount of current that I can safely draw. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
One thing you can do is, get an AC ammeter hook it up in series with the HALOGEN lamp and note the current reading. substitute your LED lamp and make sure your led does not draw more than the Halogen did.
One thing I found checking an LED aux lamp(not the one you have-but similar)is that with reduced voltage below a certain level (like when the eng. is idling) the current draw by the LED lamp increases dramatically, so check that too.
The compact 24" (920021) stator output is rated 60 Watt AC.
HTH
JerryR
 
#890 ·
Have been reading about the lighting upgrades to the Hondas and since I aquired a 2007 fairly recently had thought about doing some of this.. In searching for information I found that --Superbright LEDs -- sells a direct LED replacement for the PAR36 sealed beam in the rubber housing, and thought I would pass along the information.
It is listed as PAR36NW9w-160 comes in white and colors 670 lumens (65-70w equivelent incandesant) uses 7.3 to 9 watts and is listed as 12Volt AC and DC so no diode bridge and capacitors setup is necessary. It fits right into the rubber truck type housing so Hondas with the newer 15W lights could use it with no modifications to their electrical system, they would just have to get the rubber housing, which is available just about anywhere on line or auto parts store. This would "probably" work in many other machines also with AC output in the range of 12 volts.
 
#891 ·
So would this Par 36 12v AC/DC bulb work with a Honda HS928 putting out 12 volts AC without the need of a bridge rectifier?


If so, how do I calculate the amp draw to make sure I'm under the 4amp stator rating?
 
#892 · (Edited)
That par36 bulb says in it's description AC/DC so it should work fine without any AC to DC conversion. BUT . . . is states it's 12 volt and I'm not sure if it's going to handle the higher voltages that a snowblower without a voltage regulator produce. On a lawn tractor you have a regulated supply but on almost all snowblowers it's unregulated. The exception is if it has an on board battery and 12 volt starter.
Most of the lights that are used in this thread have a range going up to 20 to 36volts.

I was surprised to see the Superbrightleds bulb was cheaper than getting it at Amazon (not counting shipping).
 
#894 ·
It is my understanding from reading the Honda thread that newer machines (somewhere in the 2009 to 2014 models) with the 15 watt incandesent bulb this is the watt limited load of the machines. The superbright LED says it draws a load of 7.2 to 9 watts. My "best guess" would be that is because it can run on DC and draw7.2, a little less than it would on AC at 9watts- because it is still converting to DC internallyl for the LED light. But it should safely run on any machine with these 15 watt incandesants. You would still probably have to buy the Peterson Mfg. rubber housing if you don't have that, because they are a direct pop-in replacement.
Don't get confused with the LUMENS output which is equivilent to a 65-70watt incandesent. & I don't know any specs. on the newer machines factory LED installed lights.
The older machines with the dual coils have an output of 48-50 watts and use the PAR35 watt incandesent which draws 2.5-2.7 Amps. So be going to this superbright LED it is possible to use the remaining amps of power to add heated handgrips of 30-35 watts. I know someone who is doing this on an older 624 and I have a lamp ordered to install on my 2007 928 with heated handgrips.
 
#896 ·
This is my first post on this forum, and this thread is very interesting.
I'm from Canada (french) and i use google translate many time :wink2:

This summer was a nice time to upgrade my 2005 snowblower. Have a MTD Yardmachine (Tecumseh 8 HP)

I buy a flywheel and a stator for this model because there were none. I buy user. The stator is 18 watt and on user manual the halogen light is 27 watt.
I read this thread couple of time.
I make a little sketch and want to know if is ok...and need info for fuse.

 
#898 · (Edited)
#899 ·
That converter should work.
Almost all small engines just have the one lead and use the frame as the other conductor to power things UNLESS they have a battery to charge. In your case it has two and still uses the frame as the common conductor. The headlight lead might have a diode in it to use with an LED headlight. It's the cheapest way of making it work. You could also look for a LED headlight that will work on AC. They have their own converter built into the circuitry and they aren't that expensive.
 
#901 · (Edited)
So here's what I used. Main parts ordered from Amazon. All parts totaled $45-$50:


Scosche 0400ATCFH16-5 ATC Fuse Holder 16 gauge 5 pack $2.14

Miady 6 inch LED Light Bar 18W Flood Beam Off Road light for SUV, ATV, Jeep, 4x4, Pickup Truck, Boat (Pack of 2) $15.99 (there's a similar one for half the price)

DIGITEN Waterproof 24V AC DC to 12VDC 3A Power Converter Adapter for CCTV Camera Security $10.99


Other items bought locally or already had

  • 18 & 22 AWG wire
  • Solderless terminals
  • 2 - 5 amp fuses
  • Lighted switch
  • 1/2” Red wire loom – 10’
  • Zip ties
  • Zip tie anchors
  • Electrical tape
Converter is screwed to bottom of light housing with 2 fuse holders ziptied to it. No flickering occurred so capacitors weren't needed. One fuse was wired between AC out (engine) and the converter, The other one between DC out (converter) and the switch.

Image


BEFORE:
Image


AFTER:
Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image