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Upgrading your snowblower lights to LED lights (Please see 1st post edit/mouseover this link)

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[Edit: LED technology has improved exponentially since this thread was started. Be aware that earlier posts may be somewhat outdated, and that you will likely find the most useful information in later updates. Y.R.]

In this thread, we'll talk about the do's and don'ts of LED headlight upgrades for your snowblower, and post videos and pictures of our successes.
There are many models of snowblowers that have a headlight circuit, In most cases, you can find a single wire that registers at anywhere from 12v to 20v AC (with no load) that is located somewhere on the engine, many times under the gas tank. Halogen lights are the typical light that comes with many of our snowblowers. Many of us want much more light than what the halogen bulb can give us, as well as better reliability than a halogen bulb. The search for something brighter and more reliable ends with the LED light. LED's (Light Emitting Diodes) are extremely efficient, very bright, and have thousands of hours of reliable use.
Since the lighting circuit is typically AC current at somewhere between 40-60hertz, if you just attach an LED light to the circuit you'll get pulsing light (think on and off 40-60 times a second) This is caused by the nature of an LED, because an LED is polarity sensitive, and has no warm-up or cool down time when compared to a halogen bulb filament, the LED will flicker noticeably. The flickering of an LED on AC current is mildly annoying to many people, but VERY annoying when you are attaching it to a moving object like a snowblower. An LED that is in motion when attached to AC current (for reasons I won't even begin to get into) flickers much more noticeably. To test this for yourself, take a strand of LED Christmas lights, plug them in, and then swing them in front of you at arm's length, you'll see a strobing or flickering effect.
You can see many LED headlight upgrade videos on youtube like this one, where you can definitely see the flickering or strobing of the LED's. You can see the effect the flicker has on the video camera, you get weird tracks that go from top to bottom of the video frame.
1. EXAMPLE OF IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
2. EXAMPLE OF YET AGAIN AN IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
This is what it looks like once you add a bridge rectifier, even though you’ll see a tiny bit of flicker in the video, in person there is none, you also can notice that there is no “tracking” effect like in the other videos.

The problem of light flicker is solved by using a full wave bridge rectifier.

A bridge rectifier takes AC current and changes it into DC current using 4 diodes.

By connecting the positive and negative from your LED light(s) to the DC output of your bridge rectifier, and then connecting your single headlight circuit wire to one of the AC inputs of the bridge rectifier (it doesn't matter which AC input) and then attaching a wire from the metal of your snowblower to the other AC input you will have light! For safety purposes, it is recommended that you place a fuse on the headlight circuit wire before the bridge rectifier which should be about 5 amps rated fast blow, and then a fuse on the positive wiring between your bridge rectifier and your LED light that should be about ~1amp fast blow fuses. These fuse ratings are assuming you are using a headlight circuit that is rated for ~1amp at about 18volts, some headlight circuits are rated for 2, 3, or more amps, so using an amperage calculator like this one can help with both your LED light selection and your fuse selection. Volts/Amps/Watts Converter
Here's a pic of how I installed my bridge rectifier, I mounted it right next to my keyed switch that is on my handlebar console. I also used heat sink paste to couple the bridge rectifier’s metal casing to the console’s metal. I know this is way overkill, but my bridge rectifier came with the paste, and it was an easy application of some paste. The bridge rectifier I used is rated at 50amps 100volts KBPC5010 Bridge Rectifier | Alltronics

UPDATE: Using two 2200mfd 50v capacitors may be needed to clean up the voltage ripple that comes off of the DC output on your bridge rectifier. Some LED lights are sensitive to this ripple and may fail prematurely. Simply adding these capacitors in parallel on the DC output side of the bridge rectifier is a good precaution. Wire in the Capacitor(s) between the LED light(s) and the bridge rectifier. So the positive and negative of the bridge rectifier will go to the positive and negative of the capacitor. Then the positive and negative of the capacitor then get wired to the LED(s) positive and negative.

When choosing your LED lighting you typically have spotlights or flood lights available. Spotlights have a more pinpoint dispersion with very little side spill of light. Flood lights illuminate a wider area, and with the short distances (from LED light to relevant distance in front of your snowblower) you’ll want as wide dispersion as possible, or else you’ll get a tiny area in front of you illuminated. I made sure to get floodlights that were rated for voltage below what my snowblower headlight circuit tests at and above, so being that my snowblower headlight circuit tests at 18volts I picked a set of LED floodlights that were rated for 9-32 volts. I wanted to make sure that I would never be putting the floodlights in danger with whatever voltage the headlight circuit was producing, even a small voltage peak is accounted for. The floodlights I chose are 9 watts each, which is as much as my headlight circuit is rated for.
For those that appreciate a short(ish) video with some basic points noted here is a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZwebMaiyBY
 
#991 ·
Hey, America is the land of freedom, choice, and lots of opinions, and it seems that there are various opinions on this subject. I'll let you know if my light fails, but it worked fine last night for about 30 minutes. I will scream from the rooftops and warn everybody if it does and the failure is attributable to the lack of caps. In the meantime, add the caps. Insurance like that is cost effective and not difficult to deploy. Can't wait to see pictures. :)
 
#994 · (Edited)
Ariens model 921018.

Bypassed the 20 watt halogen for now. 18 watt LED spot lights on the bucket. Raised up 4 inches with stainless bolts that hold the bucket weight in place. 4700uf 25 volt capacitor and bridge rectifier with fender washers as heat sinks in place. All works well, no flicker! Only small catch is angle of the bucket and limited adjustment of LED adjustment forces the beam to be slighly higher than level. No worries, you see farther away!

My next upgrade mod is to put a bigger stator in. I have two more 18 watt flood lights. I want to mount them on the cab somewhere if possible, or make a bracket.

Removing the flywheel nut is a sonuva bitch when you dont have an impact gun. Some propane torch heat, penetrating fluid, 5 pound sledge, and patience will prevail.

The original stator #797090 is a half moon shape, 5A max or 60 watts. I had the 20 watt halogen and the 40 watt heated hand grips. I scored an upgraded stator part#695466 for $12 bucks new off ebay...SCORE! Trouble now is the 2 extra studs are not tapped with threads. I need to find out what size the bolts are, and tap the studs appropriately.

To be continued. Will have info on bolt size and final setup soon.
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#996 · (Edited)
Update.

The stator bolts are M4 x 20mm long with a 0.7 pitch. Threads are tapped and good to go!

Normally red/black indicate VDC, and two black wires are usually VAC. There are no diodes on the stator assembly so polarity in this case is irrelevant. After researching, it turns out that the black wire of the OEM stator is grounded to the frame thus why you have red and black even though it's AC.

It's also a good thing that I check the stator because it seems that after 8 years it was ready to fail. Thankfully I can repair it.

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#997 ·
Use Solar LED Lights

That is true. To expand the life of the LED lights, you need to care for them while using them. And what's more important is that your lights should be of high quality. Waterproof is a must for the lights as them are exposed to the snow and water. And as for work within yard, garden, waterproof solar LED lights are ideal. You don't need to install lights onto the snowblower or worry that they get damaged. Instead, you can install the LED solar lights high somewhere overhead and they can illuminate a wide range of area. The greatest advantage is they convert sunlight into current power, which cut down your budget on electricity bill.

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#998 · (Edited)
Upgraded stator installed. No problems so far. Low idle is 15VAC volts, and high idle didn't measure yet. LEDs work now at low idle with no flicker when it didn't before. Had to give it some gas before the voltage was high enough to turn it on. One thing to note, wow those heated hand grips get hot FAST. Will have to check the voltage, make sure its not too high where it could burn it out. My other stator was visibly failing at the solder point, so maybe it wasn't passing enough power to fully heat the grips quick. It would also seem that the new stator which is isolated from the frame powers up fine. All my accessories like the grips and lights are all isolated from the frame electrically speaking. I suppose the 707090 had the setup on other machines where the light only had one wire going to it and its mounting bolt was the negative ground.

Last thing is to mount the flood lights. Pics to follow!

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#1,013 · (Edited)
Two floods on top, two spots on the auger housing. Some serious zombie lighting! I still have to paint the wood black so it blends in. Attached to the frame of the cab using 1/2" hose clamps. Its light in weight, simple, and effective.

*** Low idle at the BR was 15VDC, but at full speed, voltage is 36VDC! I have the 695466 stator. This explains why the heated hand grips got nuclear hot! The LEDs seem fine, but it is beyond the 30VDC they were rated for. Long term 36VDC may burn them out. Need to put a regulator on it. Also did not need to change the molex connector from a male to female connector, thankfully I have the original connector ill resolder it back together.

This stator was meant to have a voltage regulator rectifier paired with it, namly part# 691185. It takes the ~40VAC from the stator and keeps a steady 14.4 volts DC. I've ordered it and will update everyone once it is retrofitted.

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#999 ·
Hey not only am I new to the forum I'm new to snow lol. I have an Ariens Deluxe 24 that I just purchased and would like to do this mod. Where are you guys getting the little box from that you have the rectifier and Capacitor in? Also can you send me a link to the correct items to purchase for my particular snow blower.
 
#1,001 · (Edited)
Where do I add a capacitor in LED light circuit?

Hi,

I have a Troy Bilt 5024 snow blower that did not come with a light. I would like to add a pair of 18W led lights using the red DC wire coming out of my stator. I wired up the lights and shortly after cranking the throttle up they are no longer working. I am guessing this is because the dirty output voltage exceeded 12V. I bought a new set of lights as well as a voltage regulator to keep a constant 12v. I also purchased two 1000uF 25V capacitors to add to the setup, but I'm not sure where they should be placed?

Below are the parts I am using:

Below is a diagram of my setup without the capacitors:
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Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Mike
 

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Hi,

I have a Troy Bilt 5024 snow blower that did not come with a light. I would like to add a pair of 18W led lights using the red DC wire coming out of my stator. I wired up the lights and shortly after cranking the throttle up they are no longer working. I am guessing this is because the dirty output voltage exceeded 12V. I bought a new set of lights as well as a voltage regulator to keep a constant 12v. I also purchased two 1000uF 25V capacitors to add to the setup, but I'm not sure where they should be placed?

Below are the parts I am using:

Below is a diagram of my setup without the capacitors:
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Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Mike
To answer your question-the capacitors will go on the output of the regulator. you MUST observe the correct polarity.
Capacitor plus(+) to the yellow wire, capacitor minus(-) to the black wire.
What is the purpose of the connection between the negative(black wires) input and output of the regulator, is that what you were instructed to do?(that connection is usually internal, Unless the regulator is used to isolate the input/output).
The diagram is a little confusing, Can you post the hookup instructions for the switch and the relay?
HTH
JerryR
 
#1,004 · (Edited)
Hi Mike.
Whether you need a regulator AND capacitors depends on how good the regulator is, but I don't think adding the caps will do any harm.
As far as the diagram, I'm trying to figure out how it's wired but it is very confusing to me, since I can't tell which wire goes to what terminal to perform what function on the relay.
Did you get ANY instructions with that kit as to what wire does what? Can you read any terminal numbers on the relay?
The + and - wires to the relay, are they going to the relay coil if so that will keep the relay on all the time even when you are not using the lights?
what terminal on the relay is the switch wired to?
The switch seems to be a Single Pole Double Throw switch (SPDT) that, in your use would require only 2 wires rather than the 3 shown( it is shown as a polarity selector where the center pin will have either + or - depending on your selection- that is NOT what you need).
HTH
JerryR
 
#1,005 ·
Hi @JerryR -

Forgive my ignorance. Unfortunately, the harness did not come with any additional information.

Following the diagram, I plan on wiring the following:
1. The black wire coming off the relay to a ground screw on the snowblower.
2. The red wire coming off the fuse (under the relay in the diagram) to the yellow wire coming off the regulator.
3. The red wire coming off the switch to the yellow wire coming off the regulator.
4. The black wire coming off the switch to a ground screw on the snowblower.

I just want to double check that this sounds good before I go ahead and proceed.

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Thanks,
Mike
 

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I just added the regulator in and I think I fried it... I am no longer getting any output on my multimeter. When I remove the regulator, I get the 12-16 V DC OUT. I'm not sure what else to do here... I just wanted to add some LED lights to my snow blower, but this has turned out to be a lot more complicated that I expected.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,
Mike
 
#1,007 ·
Mike.
Sorry to hear about the regulator, and it should not be that complicated.
Few possibilities come to mind.
1. The DC output may have AC and/or spikes riding on it. If you have an AC range on your multimeter you might check for AC but you won't be able to measure spikes with a meter - I seem to remember that in your first post you said that you hooked up the LEDs and that they blew, spikes could do that.
BTW I went to this site: https://nilight.com/products/niligh...ad-led-lights-bar-mounting-bracket-for-suv-boat-4-jeep-lamp?variant=25001464713.
I believe these are your LEDs and they are rated at least to 24V so if you are reading 12-16V DC The LEDs should be able to handle it.

2. You exceeded the current rating and the regulator and the Over Current Protection shut it down, after the unit cooled down try it again without a load.

As to your proposed wiring shown in the post prior to this one (the 2 red hand-drawn wires) I don't know what to tell you, I have no idea how that relay is prewired- are you sure that you cannot read any pin numbers on the relay?, is the relay by any chance plugged into the wiring harness?(the Mfr. lit. shows it plugged in).

Do you have a 12v battery - substitute it for the stator output, but be careful. Hook the battery negative and than momentarily touch the positive
HTH
JerryR
 
#1,008 ·
LED lights successfully installed on Troy Bilt 5024 Snowblower!

I finally got it working! I ditched the harness and red wire coming off the stator that is supposed to be DC and instead went with the yellow AC wire and a bridge rectifier that everyone else on this forum appears to have used.

My final parts list was:
  • (1) 5 amp inline fuse - 16 gauge
  • (1) full wave bridge rectifier
  • (2) 2200 uF 50 V capacitors
  • (1) SPST toggle switch
  • (2) 18W Cree LED lights
  • 16 gauge primary wire (red and black)
  • Electrical connectors and heat shrink tubing

Below is my final wiring diagram I followed. I might add another fuse between the bridge rectifier and LED's in the future.

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And the finished product...

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Special thanks to @JerryR and @MnP40C for their help and guidance!

-Mike
 

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LED lights successfully installed on Troy Bilt 5024 Snowblower!

I finally got it working! I ditched the harness and red wire coming off the stator that is supposed to be DC and instead went with the yellow AC wire and a bridge rectifier that everyone else on this forum appears to have used.

My final parts list was:
  • (1) 5 amp inline fuse - 16 gauge
  • (1) full wave bridge rectifier
  • (2) 2200 uF 50 V capacitors
  • (1) SPST toggle switch
  • (2) 18W Cree LED lights
  • 16 gauge primary wire (red and black)
  • Electrical connectors and heat shrink tubing

Below is my final wiring diagram I followed. I might add another fuse between the bridge rectifier and LED's in the future.

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And the finished product...

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Special thanks to @JerryR and @MnP40C for their help and guidance!

-Mike
Hi there,
I used the same schematic you posted, but I can't understand what the ground wire going to the - side of the switch is for. I have an arrow pointing to it in the attachment.
Without it, the system works. Although I am getting a great deal of flicker at low idle.

Regards,
Al
 

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Okay my main question with the attached picture is if I did the capacitors correctly? Could this be simplified? Basically it's trying to mimic the same layout as SuperEdge88/MnP40c including a rocker switch to turn lights on manually. Any ideas welcome. If it can be simplified, could you (using a different color for wiring diagram) show me how I might do it different? The 528swe is a Cub Cadet 2 stage 28" similar to the Ariens but from 2011.

Thank you, Happy Holidays.
 

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#1,012 ·
Hi JerryR,
Thank you so much, I completely understand what you're suggesting here. I had four capactors mainly because it was two per LED. Your way will still work since it's before the split. Yes, there is a small blue LED light on the rocker switch. I'm assuming that grounding still occurs at the AC- and not the (-) at the switch?

Happy Holidays.
 
#1,014 ·
Do you have ONLY one wire (the one you show going to the fuse) coming out of the stator?, If so than you have the rectifier wired correctly.
I don't know the specs for the switch (did you get any info or wiring instructions for it?) but my **guess** is that the negative (-) terminal on the switch is the negative connection for the built-in blue LED, and should be connected to the negative DC output of the rectifier.
I don't know is if there is also a built-in resistor for the LED inside the switch, the size of that resistor is important and is determined by the voltage applied to the positive terminal of the switch and the Max current rating of the built-in LED - so you also need to know what is the voltage going to your switch when the machine operates.
HTH
JerryR
 
#1,016 ·
Speaking of Cub Cadet's... Mine is a 3x 30 HD. I have a 8" 36 watt LED mounted on the top of the chute. I chose this configuration to keep the beam low. There will be times when when you use the machine and it's snowing heavily. Having lights up high has the potential of increased glare and reflection, resulting in decreased visibility. I didn't bother with a switch due to the extremely long life of LED's. I also replaced the stock bulb with an LED, doubled the lumen output. I could have gone with a higher wattage but was concerned about heat output and possible damage to the reflector and lens. I also chose not to add a switch anywhere because adding a switch also creates an additional point of failure.

What brand/model blower do you have?
 

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So just found out my alternator seems to be a 9A alternator. This makes sense since I have the electric chute and heated grips. Now I need to figure out how much the grips draw and how much the chute draws and I can figure out how big of an LED light i can use. Hoping to use the light i have that was given to me.
 

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#1,028 ·
Hi all, new here. I read through some of this thread, I don't know which end is up. Very very confusing. I'm wondering what parts I'd need for my Ariens 921044 Deluxe 28 SHO 28 to just put a couple LED's on it. Have dremel and all sorts of tools. I just don't know what is needed. My unit does have the halogen light (useless - not sure why they even include one) and has electric start, but no hand warmers.