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Upgrading your snowblower lights to LED lights (Please see 1st post edit/mouseover this link)

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[Edit: LED technology has improved exponentially since this thread was started. Be aware that earlier posts may be somewhat outdated, and that you will likely find the most useful information in later updates. Y.R.]

In this thread, we'll talk about the do's and don'ts of LED headlight upgrades for your snowblower, and post videos and pictures of our successes.
There are many models of snowblowers that have a headlight circuit, In most cases, you can find a single wire that registers at anywhere from 12v to 20v AC (with no load) that is located somewhere on the engine, many times under the gas tank. Halogen lights are the typical light that comes with many of our snowblowers. Many of us want much more light than what the halogen bulb can give us, as well as better reliability than a halogen bulb. The search for something brighter and more reliable ends with the LED light. LED's (Light Emitting Diodes) are extremely efficient, very bright, and have thousands of hours of reliable use.
Since the lighting circuit is typically AC current at somewhere between 40-60hertz, if you just attach an LED light to the circuit you'll get pulsing light (think on and off 40-60 times a second) This is caused by the nature of an LED, because an LED is polarity sensitive, and has no warm-up or cool down time when compared to a halogen bulb filament, the LED will flicker noticeably. The flickering of an LED on AC current is mildly annoying to many people, but VERY annoying when you are attaching it to a moving object like a snowblower. An LED that is in motion when attached to AC current (for reasons I won't even begin to get into) flickers much more noticeably. To test this for yourself, take a strand of LED Christmas lights, plug them in, and then swing them in front of you at arm's length, you'll see a strobing or flickering effect.
You can see many LED headlight upgrade videos on youtube like this one, where you can definitely see the flickering or strobing of the LED's. You can see the effect the flicker has on the video camera, you get weird tracks that go from top to bottom of the video frame.
1. EXAMPLE OF IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
2. EXAMPLE OF YET AGAIN AN IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
This is what it looks like once you add a bridge rectifier, even though you’ll see a tiny bit of flicker in the video, in person there is none, you also can notice that there is no “tracking” effect like in the other videos.

The problem of light flicker is solved by using a full wave bridge rectifier.

A bridge rectifier takes AC current and changes it into DC current using 4 diodes.

By connecting the positive and negative from your LED light(s) to the DC output of your bridge rectifier, and then connecting your single headlight circuit wire to one of the AC inputs of the bridge rectifier (it doesn't matter which AC input) and then attaching a wire from the metal of your snowblower to the other AC input you will have light! For safety purposes, it is recommended that you place a fuse on the headlight circuit wire before the bridge rectifier which should be about 5 amps rated fast blow, and then a fuse on the positive wiring between your bridge rectifier and your LED light that should be about ~1amp fast blow fuses. These fuse ratings are assuming you are using a headlight circuit that is rated for ~1amp at about 18volts, some headlight circuits are rated for 2, 3, or more amps, so using an amperage calculator like this one can help with both your LED light selection and your fuse selection. Volts/Amps/Watts Converter
Here's a pic of how I installed my bridge rectifier, I mounted it right next to my keyed switch that is on my handlebar console. I also used heat sink paste to couple the bridge rectifier’s metal casing to the console’s metal. I know this is way overkill, but my bridge rectifier came with the paste, and it was an easy application of some paste. The bridge rectifier I used is rated at 50amps 100volts KBPC5010 Bridge Rectifier | Alltronics

UPDATE: Using two 2200mfd 50v capacitors may be needed to clean up the voltage ripple that comes off of the DC output on your bridge rectifier. Some LED lights are sensitive to this ripple and may fail prematurely. Simply adding these capacitors in parallel on the DC output side of the bridge rectifier is a good precaution. Wire in the Capacitor(s) between the LED light(s) and the bridge rectifier. So the positive and negative of the bridge rectifier will go to the positive and negative of the capacitor. Then the positive and negative of the capacitor then get wired to the LED(s) positive and negative.

When choosing your LED lighting you typically have spotlights or flood lights available. Spotlights have a more pinpoint dispersion with very little side spill of light. Flood lights illuminate a wider area, and with the short distances (from LED light to relevant distance in front of your snowblower) you’ll want as wide dispersion as possible, or else you’ll get a tiny area in front of you illuminated. I made sure to get floodlights that were rated for voltage below what my snowblower headlight circuit tests at and above, so being that my snowblower headlight circuit tests at 18volts I picked a set of LED floodlights that were rated for 9-32 volts. I wanted to make sure that I would never be putting the floodlights in danger with whatever voltage the headlight circuit was producing, even a small voltage peak is accounted for. The floodlights I chose are 9 watts each, which is as much as my headlight circuit is rated for.
For those that appreciate a short(ish) video with some basic points noted here is a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZwebMaiyBY
 
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Ok jonnied thanks so much. I already have the capacitors wired in and glad you told me not to run the negitive DC on the rectifier to chassis ground and to isolate it and go directly to the ground wire of the lights.
I hope this helps others that may be confused on this matte.
Again Thank You;

Your friend Doug
You're welcome. Glad it worked out for you.
 
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Yellow

I used the information on this thread as the basis for this amber LED light mod on my newly purchased used HS725. The sealed beam light it came with was DOA.

The three inexpensive 48 LED arrays I chose for this project produced a harsh ultraviolet and bluish light. Using an ancient chrome plated fog light housing with amber glass made the light much easier on the eyes. The yellow wavelength also generates less kick back from snow, rain or fog.

The Fuse, Bridge Rectifier and Electrolytic capacitor previously described by Superedge88 was used. In addition 2 wire wound 7.5 Ohm in parallel, an LM 7812 voltage regulator and a tiny .05 mFd. capacitor were added to provide a constant 12 volts to the 3 arrays.

All components were surface soldered to a 2 ounce copper clad circuit board. The layout was cut with a linoleum knife and peeled back. Be advised though cheap and relatively quick, this technique can result in significant blood loss. Black tape and hot melt glue were used for vibration fatigue protection. The Led arrays were mounted on the other side of the board using the foam adhesive backing they came with. Aluminum foil tape was used between the arrays to improve the appearance.

Mounting the electronics inside the fog light housing makes the LED light plug and play for wiring. Acid core plumbing flux was used when soldering the ground connection to a rivet on the housing. Tie wraps secure the wire from the alternator connection. (vibration protection).

The light produces roughly 170 degrees of flood illumination to about 35 feet radius. The flood lighting also gives relatively stable intensity even if the blower is negotiating uneven terrain.

Our lane is 1 Kilometer long. Sometimes the wind and snow only diminish after dark. This is so much better than two flashlights duct taped to my 40+ year old HS55. :)
 

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I used the information on this thread as the basis for this amber LED light mod on my newly purchased used HS725. The sealed beam light it came with was DOA.

The three inexpensive 48 LED arrays I chose for this project produced a harsh ultraviolet and bluish light. Using an ancient chrome plated fog light housing with amber glass made the light much easier on the eyes. The yellow wavelength also generates less kick back from snow, rain or fog.

The Fuse, Bridge Rectifier and Electrolytic capacitor previously described by Superedge88 was used. In addition 2 wire wound 7.5 Ohm in parallel, an LM 7812 voltage regulator and a tiny .05 mFd. capacitor were added to provide a constant 12 volts to the 3 arrays.

All components were surface soldered to a 2 ounce copper clad circuit board. The layout was cut with a linoleum knife and peeled back. Be advised though cheap and relatively quick, this technique can result in significant blood loss. Black tape and hot melt glue were used for vibration fatigue protection. The Led arrays were mounted on the other side of the board using the foam adhesive backing they came with. Aluminum foil tape was used between the arrays to improve the appearance.

Mounting the electronics inside the fog light housing makes the LED light plug and play for wiring. Acid core plumbing flux was used when soldering the ground connection to a rivet on the housing. Tie wraps secure the wire from the alternator connection. (vibration protection).

The light produces roughly 170 degrees of flood illumination to about 35 feet radius. The flood lighting also gives relatively stable intensity even if the blower is negotiating uneven terrain.

Our lane is 1 Kilometer long. Sometimes the wind and snow only diminish after dark. This is so much better than two flashlights duct taped to my 40+ year old HS55. :)
Nice job. Rather creative aren't you.:surprise:
 
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Hi group.

My elderly father in-law got what he thought was a shop light for me for xmas.
Instead he got me a Nilight 20" 126w LED bar.
Anyone know if this would be too much draw off my hs828.
I have halogen light installed, so would just splice it in at first, and if flicker use the bridge.

But if it will kill the magneto, won't bother.
 
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I don't usually check this thread, but I stopped in to check the last couple pages when I found this video. It looks like donyboy73 has found us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecVm0lpHRfw
Def! Dony is a great dude! His videos are very succinct and informative, cutting out all the banter and discovery most would experience with such a project. One part he did not get into at all or mention was the stator amperage capacity. This topic needs to be discussed when you want to put zombie lights on a snowblower without first checking to see if the stator can handle it, heated grips, and the OEM halogen all at the same time.

Most snowblower stators are 5A, 60 Watts, @ 12VAC. This is more than ample to power a 20 watt halogen light and heated hand grips. The 12" LED light bar he has running parallel with the 20 watt halogen. The box claims it is 72 watts, but researching a guy on Amazon reviewing the bar stated it draws about 3.5A @12VDC, so in reality it is more like 42 watts. The input voltage range is 10-30 VDC. That means the wattage can vary from 90 Watts @ 30VDC, or ~40 watts @ 12VDC. To measure how 'bright' an LED light is based in lumens, lux, and candela. Color temp is a matter of preference, though most chose somewhere between 5000-6000 Kelvin and this is a whole other conversation altogether.

In any event, that is still too much amperage draw if one wanted to run it with the other accessories, the halogen OEM light, and heated grips simultaneously. In fact, you can only run the 12" light bar, OR the heated grips, only one at a time. I would hope that he will explain this in more detail.

Cheers
Bass
 
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I have a Yamaha YT660EDJ (i.e. YT624EDJ) with a regular 23W bulb light and 12V battery starter.

Does anyone know how this model is wired i.e. are there separate stator coils for the light and battery charging or is it done with just one coil? I haven't found a service manual for this model and the newer YT660 model already has LED lighting with different wiring circuit. It does have just one coil, but can I assume that the EDJ is similar?

I haven't yet gone thru the wiring, so I'm not sure how battery charging DC voltage is done. There is one mystery part under the control panel, maybe a diode. But shouldn't there be a regulator somewhere? Looks like it's easier to just add a bridge rectifier + capacitors to the existing lamp AC wiring and use that for the replacement LED lamp.
 
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I checked my Yamaha's wiring and there are two separate circuits with their own outputs from the engine. One goes thru a diode to the battery and the other goes straight to the 23W light. Looks like swapping that to an LED light is an easy job. I'll just build a box with a rectifier, capacitor, fuse and add wires with suitable connectors and it's then almost plug'n'play...
 
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I have a quick question with hooking up an led flood light to my mtd snowblower. I have not really any electrical sense to me other then red is hot and black is ground. Now I have bought a bridge rectifier and a wiring harness and I am just wondering if any of you all could provide me with a diagram on what to hook up where because I have already tried to wire the stuff up and I hooked the black wire with a white stripe on it which is running from the motor and it was hooked up to the positive side of the rectifier and the black to one of the other posts on the rectifier and nothing happened and I am at a loss and I am ready to start ripping my hair out. Please help
 
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The wire from the engine to one of the AC post on the bridge rectifier.
A wire from the other AC post on the bridge rectifier to engine ground.
A wire from DC+ on the bridge rectifier to the positive wire on the light.
A wire from the DC- on the bridge rectifier to the other wire on the light.
DO NOT GROUND THE DC SIDE OF THE BRIDGE RECTIFIER.
Don't forget your capacitor(s) between the bridge rectifier and light.
By the way welcome to the forum.
 
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I have been able to tweak this information to allow me to bridge AC to DC, added 1000 uf cap then used DC to power an electric linear actuator that I now use as a chute deflector control via a double pole double throw switch that I have wired as a motor reverser.
 
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When I power the switch (momentary) - off - (momentary), the light gets very dim. I am considering converting the light to LED, and/or using relays to cut power to the lights when the motor is being actuated. I would otherwise leave the light on all the time. I have observed the cycle time of the cylinder to be 5-6 seconds, but 15-16 seconds with the light on.
Anyone have any suggestions besides going the relay route?
The snowblower is a yard king signature 9hp/29inch. (Manufactured by Murray). 26 watt headlight, no grip heaters. Mudflaps installed on impeller.

I'm new to the forum, too. Despite browsing for several years. So let me be the first to say "Welcome! " lol
 
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So it’s a tecumseh? Do you have just the yellow wire for lights, or a red wire as well? If you had a coil designed to power lights only, you might not have enough juice to run both at the same time. The dimming you noticed. What does your voltage drop too with the lights and chute motor?
 
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Yellow wire only.
Kind of hard for me to check voltage while working the cylinder. I don't have enough hands, and the vibration always pops the alligator clips off.
 
#1,119 ·
Post 977 shows an Ariens snow blower, so my guess is- you have a 60W stator like most late model Ariens.
Most LED lamps of the type you show in Post 977 are rated for DC voltages up to 24v or more and the 18w rating is based on that.
The only way you will know for sure if you are exceeding the stator 60W rating, is to measure the voltage applied to lamps and the current that 2 18W lamps draw when the blower is running.
HTH
JerryR
 
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:welcome: to SBF Evasive501

Relays are nice to keep the higher current circuit short and the low current switching circuit as convenient as possible. With something like the relative small current draw a single or pair of LED headlights would have compared to running incandescent bulbs IMHO it's not worth the extra part and wiring.
 
#1,122 ·
If I have a question about adding LED lighting to my Ariens snowblower and I want to upload a wiring diagram because I have some questions, can I do it in this thread or do I start a new thread?

Thanks,
Steve
 
#1,123 ·
I would say this thread as others may find it useful if they want to add a light to the same machine as you are.
 
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Well then....let's begin!

I have an Ariens Deluxe 30 Platinum Series Model#: 921018. B&S 1650 SnowSeries engine on it.
I've put a volt meter on the 2 wires coming out of the motor: yellow and black, and I get about 32VAC while the unit is running.
I have the standard halogen light and handwarmers too.

From all the reading I've done in this thread, I should be able to install these items below with no problems:
2 - Cree 18W Flood lights
2 - capacitors 2200uf 50V
1 - 50A 1000V Rectifier
Misc, connectors, wiring, shrink wrap tubing.

Does anyone have any suggestions for some type of box/enclosure for the rectifier and capacitors to help "clean it up some"?

Does anyone have any suggestions or tips before I dig into this project?

Pics of the wiring is below....

Thanks,
Steve
 

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