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Upgrading your snowblower lights to LED lights (Please see 1st post edit/mouseover this link)

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[Edit: LED technology has improved exponentially since this thread was started. Be aware that earlier posts may be somewhat outdated, and that you will likely find the most useful information in later updates. Y.R.]

In this thread, we'll talk about the do's and don'ts of LED headlight upgrades for your snowblower, and post videos and pictures of our successes.
There are many models of snowblowers that have a headlight circuit, In most cases, you can find a single wire that registers at anywhere from 12v to 20v AC (with no load) that is located somewhere on the engine, many times under the gas tank. Halogen lights are the typical light that comes with many of our snowblowers. Many of us want much more light than what the halogen bulb can give us, as well as better reliability than a halogen bulb. The search for something brighter and more reliable ends with the LED light. LED's (Light Emitting Diodes) are extremely efficient, very bright, and have thousands of hours of reliable use.
Since the lighting circuit is typically AC current at somewhere between 40-60hertz, if you just attach an LED light to the circuit you'll get pulsing light (think on and off 40-60 times a second) This is caused by the nature of an LED, because an LED is polarity sensitive, and has no warm-up or cool down time when compared to a halogen bulb filament, the LED will flicker noticeably. The flickering of an LED on AC current is mildly annoying to many people, but VERY annoying when you are attaching it to a moving object like a snowblower. An LED that is in motion when attached to AC current (for reasons I won't even begin to get into) flickers much more noticeably. To test this for yourself, take a strand of LED Christmas lights, plug them in, and then swing them in front of you at arm's length, you'll see a strobing or flickering effect.
You can see many LED headlight upgrade videos on youtube like this one, where you can definitely see the flickering or strobing of the LED's. You can see the effect the flicker has on the video camera, you get weird tracks that go from top to bottom of the video frame.
1. EXAMPLE OF IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
2. EXAMPLE OF YET AGAIN AN IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
This is what it looks like once you add a bridge rectifier, even though you’ll see a tiny bit of flicker in the video, in person there is none, you also can notice that there is no “tracking” effect like in the other videos.

The problem of light flicker is solved by using a full wave bridge rectifier.

A bridge rectifier takes AC current and changes it into DC current using 4 diodes.

By connecting the positive and negative from your LED light(s) to the DC output of your bridge rectifier, and then connecting your single headlight circuit wire to one of the AC inputs of the bridge rectifier (it doesn't matter which AC input) and then attaching a wire from the metal of your snowblower to the other AC input you will have light! For safety purposes, it is recommended that you place a fuse on the headlight circuit wire before the bridge rectifier which should be about 5 amps rated fast blow, and then a fuse on the positive wiring between your bridge rectifier and your LED light that should be about ~1amp fast blow fuses. These fuse ratings are assuming you are using a headlight circuit that is rated for ~1amp at about 18volts, some headlight circuits are rated for 2, 3, or more amps, so using an amperage calculator like this one can help with both your LED light selection and your fuse selection. Volts/Amps/Watts Converter
Here's a pic of how I installed my bridge rectifier, I mounted it right next to my keyed switch that is on my handlebar console. I also used heat sink paste to couple the bridge rectifier’s metal casing to the console’s metal. I know this is way overkill, but my bridge rectifier came with the paste, and it was an easy application of some paste. The bridge rectifier I used is rated at 50amps 100volts KBPC5010 Bridge Rectifier | Alltronics

UPDATE: Using two 2200mfd 50v capacitors may be needed to clean up the voltage ripple that comes off of the DC output on your bridge rectifier. Some LED lights are sensitive to this ripple and may fail prematurely. Simply adding these capacitors in parallel on the DC output side of the bridge rectifier is a good precaution. Wire in the Capacitor(s) between the LED light(s) and the bridge rectifier. So the positive and negative of the bridge rectifier will go to the positive and negative of the capacitor. Then the positive and negative of the capacitor then get wired to the LED(s) positive and negative.

When choosing your LED lighting you typically have spotlights or flood lights available. Spotlights have a more pinpoint dispersion with very little side spill of light. Flood lights illuminate a wider area, and with the short distances (from LED light to relevant distance in front of your snowblower) you’ll want as wide dispersion as possible, or else you’ll get a tiny area in front of you illuminated. I made sure to get floodlights that were rated for voltage below what my snowblower headlight circuit tests at and above, so being that my snowblower headlight circuit tests at 18volts I picked a set of LED floodlights that were rated for 9-32 volts. I wanted to make sure that I would never be putting the floodlights in danger with whatever voltage the headlight circuit was producing, even a small voltage peak is accounted for. The floodlights I chose are 9 watts each, which is as much as my headlight circuit is rated for.
For those that appreciate a short(ish) video with some basic points noted here is a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZwebMaiyBY
 
#1,192 ·
So I thought I had my led conversation set. Two 4.8 watt light fixtures and a rectifier. Now I'm not sure how to wire them because all the rectifiers I have seen have two AC wires and two normal 12v pos and neg wires. My 2008 Toro 1028 has one alt wire going to the light on it now. What do I do with the second AC wire in the rectifier? Am I twisting them together and hooking them up to to the one coming from the alt. Or is there a second AC wire not I haven't found on the blower? I have been wiring stuff on cars my whole life, but have not ever had to worry about AC and converting it to DC with a rectifier.

So I quess, HELP??
ROB

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#1,195 ·
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Hi fellas,
After reading ALL of this thread I attempted to install LEDs on my new Ariens Platinum 30. I attached a very primitive (a la 3rd grade quality) diagram. The lights turn on however they barely light......very dim. Any suggestions? I have not yet added capacitors.....just the rectifier.... I grounded the rectifier AC- and the black wire from the stator under the console to metal that was scraped clean with a self tapping screw.

Thank you in advance.


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#1,198 · (Edited)
Now I'm confused, Do you have red and black wires coming out of the stator(Eventually Yellow and Black to the light)?? or is it just 1 wire coming out of the stator?
If you have 2 wires RED+Black or Yell+Blk those are the 2 wires that should go to the AC Terminals on your rectifier.
I have the 24" DLX that has the LCT engine, if yours is the same setup the black wire IS NOT USED AS GROUND.
HTH
JerryR
 
#1,200 ·
So I dont have the components yet. But have one wire coming from my 2008 Toro Power Max 1028 blower. I want to convert the one halagen bulb to two leds. My blower puts out 18 watts. The Super Bright led lights draw 4.8 watts each. So I'm under the total output from my machine. The rectifier from them has two 12vac inputs and one 12vdc. I know what to do with DC side. I just dont kniw what to do with both ac inputs. Do I hook up one and tape the other down or twist both together. And I have seen capacitors mentioned with the use if other rectifiers.

Theses are the products I want to use.

Can you guys out there help me?

Thanks
Rob
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#1,201 ·
The one wire coming out of the stator goes to either one of the AC inputs to your rectifier. The other rectifier AC input goes to engine chassis.
BTW you are showing the rectifier with 2 DC Outputs, why are you saying the the DC out is only one?( typo?)
HTH
JerryR
 
#1,202 ·
Jerry, Thanks for responding to my post. I said one DC output because the way I think that the two 12vdc wires, negative and positive are one circuit. No?

With the two AC (inputs) I just couldnt see that grounding it was the way to go. But couldn't see how it was making the circuit.

Also what the references to using capacitors for?

Thsnks again
Rob

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#1,203 ·
[/QUOTE] I said one DC output because the way I think that the two 12vdc wires, negative and positive are one circuit. No? [/QUOTE]
Yes, I misunderstood what you meant.
Capacitors are used to smooth out the DC output of the rectifier because the "DC" output from a rectifier is actually Pulsating DC.
Capacitors will also tend to raise the DC voltage depending on the capacitors size and the current drawn by the circuit.

[/QUOTE] It looks like it goes to the light and back down to the engine block. I had a feeling one of the AC wires should go to ground. Wasn't sure.
[/QUOTE]

Maybe we are all describing the same thing with different words. Engine Block, Chassis Ground, Ground - are all the same in this context, they provide 1/2 of the AC circuit.
As you noted correctly 2 AC terminals/wires make up 1 circuit, You also said that the light is powered by 1 wire coming from the stator, and 1 wire going to the block.
That is where your AC rectifier wires should go. Or you could simply tie your AC wire to those 2 wires (and in either case remove the lamp).
HTH
JerryR
 
#1,204 ·
So I've got a question for the electrical gurus in here: How easy is it to burn out a stator?

Context is that I did a battery start conversion on my blower. It's got the stator and regulator Briggs uses for a "10 amp" charging system, so total power output isn't an issue (I've got plenty). The issue is that the stock Briggs regulator only regulates down, not up. So it'll hold it to a nice 14.2 volts at high RPM, but when the blower is idling, the regulator only puts out around 9.5 volts, meaning there's no battery charging available and if I turn the headlight or the grips on they'll draw down the battery as if the blower isn't running. Minimal charging becomes available above 2000 RPM and it can keep better than 13.2 volts against a 25W load once it's above 2400 - 2500.

So I'm thinking of adding a boost regulator after the stock Briggs regulator. I've found some suitable ones that'll pull the voltage up to 13.8 volts and just pass through above that. So at low RPM it would hold 13.8 volts, climbing to 14.2 at higher RPM as the Briggs regulator takes over. But I'm concerned about burning up the stator if I do this, as at low RPM when it's regulating voltage up, if I'm drawing more power than the stator is putting out, the load on the stator would be pretty close to a dead short (unless the voltage starts dropping so low that the regulator starts to cut in and out).

What are the thoughts on this? Is there a significant risk of hurting the stator?
 
#1,207 ·
So I've got a question for the electrical gurus in here: How easy is it to burn out a stator?

Context is that I did a battery start conversion on my blower. It's got the stator and regulator Briggs uses for a "10 amp" charging system, so total power output isn't an issue (I've got plenty). The issue is that the stock Briggs regulator only regulates down, not up. So it'll hold it to a nice 14.2 volts at high RPM, but when the blower is idling, the regulator only puts out around 9.5 volts, meaning there's no battery charging available and if I turn the headlight or the grips on they'll draw down the battery as if the blower isn't running. Minimal charging becomes available above 2000 RPM and it can keep better than 13.2 volts against a 25W load once it's above 2400 - 2500.

So I'm thinking of adding a boost regulator after the stock Briggs regulator. I've found some suitable ones that'll pull the voltage up to 13.8 volts and just pass through above that. So at low RPM it would hold 13.8 volts, climbing to 14.2 at higher RPM as the Briggs regulator takes over. But I'm concerned about burning up the stator if I do this, as at low RPM when it's regulating voltage up, if I'm drawing more power than the stator is putting out, the load on the stator would be pretty close to a dead short (unless the voltage starts dropping so low that the regulator starts to cut in and out).

What are the thoughts on this? Is there a significant risk of hurting the stator?

The machine shoudnt run much at idle
ive raised my idle to 2150 i dont like it low
why not just raise the idle and turn the light on when you blow or grips either way
 
#1,205 ·
I found some 2200mfd/50v capacitors today. They are bigger then I thought they would be. About 2 inches long by about a little over 1/2 inch diameter. And around 5/6 bucks each? Is that the going size and price. I'm sure I could find them cheaper if I looked long enough. And then would probably pay so kind of freight.

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#1,209 ·
So I tried the regulator and ended up pulling it back out for now. The regulator I got works almost the way I want it to, but not quite.

If I decide to re-visit it, I'll need to add a relay and a diode to the setup. Diode to prevent backfeed from the battery (regulator draws a few milliamps off the battery from the output side of the reg). And the regulator targets 14.78 volts (with no load) rather than the 13.8 it's supposed to. So the voltage drop across a diode would be perfect anyway.

The other issue is power-up. If the caps in the regulator are empty at startup, I get no charging at all, as the stator doesn't manage to kick the regulator to life for whatever reason (even if I run the RPMs up). But if I disconnect the regulator output, jumper battery power to the regulator input for a half second and then hook it back up, it works fine. So I'd need to use a 5 pin relay to switch the battery connection from the output to the input of the regulator while the start switch is held down (and it would still present an issue if you pull start the thing).

So with all of that, I'll probably just leave it alone and run just the Briggs regulator and not worry about the lack of charging at idle. I was able to get a bit over an amp of charge current at idle through the regulator, so around 15 watts or a little more.
 
#1,214 ·
Your diagram is much cleaner then mine. Haha.[emoji16] The only difference in mine is that I'm converting one stock light to led and adding one to the other handle bar. But our wiring is the same. I didnt draw in a switch but I am going to put one in. I'm waiting till Black Friday to see if I can get some serious deals. LOL

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#1,215 · (Edited)
First I want to thank everyone here for their LED posts! I’ve attached pictures of my mod along with some Ariens information on replacing the Ariens light bulb with a 881 LED, perfect replacement.

What you are looking at are 2 LED pods on the side of my machine. I went this way after a lot of consideration and I lean towards a nice clean look when I do my mods. I will upgrade my LED pods since I just had these laying around and wanted to get this mod up and running. I found a nice waterproof switch on amazon that you can see on my control deck.
overview of my wiring, all connections are soldered and shrink tubed, plus plastic wire housing. You will see I found some rubber wire housing holder at my big box store and tied them into the existing screws to hold the plastic wire housing. My wires pulls from the light wires, into my AC/DC converter (no longer available on Amazon), positive then goes to the waterproof on/off switch, then too my fuse, backside of fuse to capacitors, then positives to LED’s. All grounds went to the deck chassis where I drilled the LED mounts (sand down the metal). All ground tips soldered and crimped. Any questions just ask.

Here’s a link to a replacement of the factory light bulb since my picture doesn’t appear to work below.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07C77GYC1?psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_pd_title
 

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#1,218 ·
Axial Electrolytic caps like yours are usually made with the metal case being the same as the negative lead(you can actually see the negative wire connected to the case). some of them are bare metal, Or the metal case may have a plastic cover over it.
In your case the negative wire from both caps go to the common (neg terminal of the bridge rectifier), so as long as you observe polarities, the cases can touch each other. If you are not comfortable, put some electrical tape around them for insulation.
In any case, if you are NOT using the engine block as a common (negative) ground, dont let the negative commons touch the engine block (I don't know what would happen??)
HTH
jerryR
 
#1,220 ·
If I understand you correctly, your alternator output is ONLY ONE wire and the 2nd wire is attached to the engine block?
If that is the case than one side of your rectifier AC input is grounded.
If you come out of your rectifier (DC ) with 2 wires going to the caps and to your lights you should be OK.
I don't know what would happen if you ground the DC negative- Maybe nothing??, personally, I would not ground the negative DC output.
HTH
JerryR
 
#1,222 ·
Hi SuperEdge88,

Regarding this statement in your post: "I picked a set of LED floodlights that were rated for 9-32 volts."

Does this mean that the light puts out rated wattage of 9W at 32V DC, or is it a constant 9W throughout the whole voltage range from 9 to 32VDC ?

Just trying to figure out how these LED lights work ie: what the output power rating of a 9W 9-32VDC will be at 9V?

Thanks in advance...

Elsmootho...