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Upgrading your snowblower lights to LED lights (Please see 1st post edit/mouseover this link)

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[Edit: LED technology has improved exponentially since this thread was started. Be aware that earlier posts may be somewhat outdated, and that you will likely find the most useful information in later updates. Y.R.]

In this thread, we'll talk about the do's and don'ts of LED headlight upgrades for your snowblower, and post videos and pictures of our successes.
There are many models of snowblowers that have a headlight circuit, In most cases, you can find a single wire that registers at anywhere from 12v to 20v AC (with no load) that is located somewhere on the engine, many times under the gas tank. Halogen lights are the typical light that comes with many of our snowblowers. Many of us want much more light than what the halogen bulb can give us, as well as better reliability than a halogen bulb. The search for something brighter and more reliable ends with the LED light. LED's (Light Emitting Diodes) are extremely efficient, very bright, and have thousands of hours of reliable use.
Since the lighting circuit is typically AC current at somewhere between 40-60hertz, if you just attach an LED light to the circuit you'll get pulsing light (think on and off 40-60 times a second) This is caused by the nature of an LED, because an LED is polarity sensitive, and has no warm-up or cool down time when compared to a halogen bulb filament, the LED will flicker noticeably. The flickering of an LED on AC current is mildly annoying to many people, but VERY annoying when you are attaching it to a moving object like a snowblower. An LED that is in motion when attached to AC current (for reasons I won't even begin to get into) flickers much more noticeably. To test this for yourself, take a strand of LED Christmas lights, plug them in, and then swing them in front of you at arm's length, you'll see a strobing or flickering effect.
You can see many LED headlight upgrade videos on youtube like this one, where you can definitely see the flickering or strobing of the LED's. You can see the effect the flicker has on the video camera, you get weird tracks that go from top to bottom of the video frame.
1. EXAMPLE OF IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
2. EXAMPLE OF YET AGAIN AN IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
This is what it looks like once you add a bridge rectifier, even though you’ll see a tiny bit of flicker in the video, in person there is none, you also can notice that there is no “tracking” effect like in the other videos.

The problem of light flicker is solved by using a full wave bridge rectifier.

A bridge rectifier takes AC current and changes it into DC current using 4 diodes.

By connecting the positive and negative from your LED light(s) to the DC output of your bridge rectifier, and then connecting your single headlight circuit wire to one of the AC inputs of the bridge rectifier (it doesn't matter which AC input) and then attaching a wire from the metal of your snowblower to the other AC input you will have light! For safety purposes, it is recommended that you place a fuse on the headlight circuit wire before the bridge rectifier which should be about 5 amps rated fast blow, and then a fuse on the positive wiring between your bridge rectifier and your LED light that should be about ~1amp fast blow fuses. These fuse ratings are assuming you are using a headlight circuit that is rated for ~1amp at about 18volts, some headlight circuits are rated for 2, 3, or more amps, so using an amperage calculator like this one can help with both your LED light selection and your fuse selection. Volts/Amps/Watts Converter
Here's a pic of how I installed my bridge rectifier, I mounted it right next to my keyed switch that is on my handlebar console. I also used heat sink paste to couple the bridge rectifier’s metal casing to the console’s metal. I know this is way overkill, but my bridge rectifier came with the paste, and it was an easy application of some paste. The bridge rectifier I used is rated at 50amps 100volts KBPC5010 Bridge Rectifier | Alltronics

UPDATE: Using two 2200mfd 50v capacitors may be needed to clean up the voltage ripple that comes off of the DC output on your bridge rectifier. Some LED lights are sensitive to this ripple and may fail prematurely. Simply adding these capacitors in parallel on the DC output side of the bridge rectifier is a good precaution. Wire in the Capacitor(s) between the LED light(s) and the bridge rectifier. So the positive and negative of the bridge rectifier will go to the positive and negative of the capacitor. Then the positive and negative of the capacitor then get wired to the LED(s) positive and negative.

When choosing your LED lighting you typically have spotlights or flood lights available. Spotlights have a more pinpoint dispersion with very little side spill of light. Flood lights illuminate a wider area, and with the short distances (from LED light to relevant distance in front of your snowblower) you’ll want as wide dispersion as possible, or else you’ll get a tiny area in front of you illuminated. I made sure to get floodlights that were rated for voltage below what my snowblower headlight circuit tests at and above, so being that my snowblower headlight circuit tests at 18volts I picked a set of LED floodlights that were rated for 9-32 volts. I wanted to make sure that I would never be putting the floodlights in danger with whatever voltage the headlight circuit was producing, even a small voltage peak is accounted for. The floodlights I chose are 9 watts each, which is as much as my headlight circuit is rated for.
For those that appreciate a short(ish) video with some basic points noted here is a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZwebMaiyBY
 
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Keep in mind that some cheaper/mismatched pwm circuits will induce some flicker that can be seen in video but is far less (or not at all) noticeable than the flicker that would be evident if left on the non rectified ac current.

I would just like to take a moment to thank those that have kept this/my thread alive with responses to the many questions that have been posted. I think of you guys here on the forum every time I go out and clear snow with my snowblower and its LEDs burning up the night.
 
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The incredibly obvious flicker in video is usually not visible to humans, that is merely the shutter speed clashing with the cyclic rate of the LEDs. Actually, our eyes do see it but our brains smooth the way and fool us into <not> seeing it, which is why we can watch movies without annoyance though we absolutely do see every single frame of the video (talking about actual film in a movie theater here). Fluorescent lights have been flashing at us for decades and other than the occasional headache, we do not even think we noticed it. :)

As to the thread contribution, well you started an interesting thread. :grin:

Brian
 
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Hey guys so I’m new to the forum and I just purchased a ariens 30” deluxe with handwarmers, but that haliogen light stinks, and I was wondering if anyone has a list of parts for mounting 2 led’s on the sides of the metal uprights leading to the handlebars. I’m looking for the brightest led light output without overloading the capacity of the machine. I know I need a bridge rectifier, 2 capacitors, a in-line fuse, and a switch. But I’m not sure where to find all that. Any help would be greatley appreciated. Thanks again
 
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THIS little guy (https://www.snowblowerforum.com/forum/1275058-post898.html) blew himself internally after a few hours of operation, so I decided to go 12 volt SLA battery. A 5ah to 7ah battery is small enough to fit under the control panel and should last several hours per charge. Got mine at Home Depot & mounted it upside-down for easy charging. Upside to battery power is having light when engine dies.:grin:

Parts list:
1. 2 ea. 18W LED flood lights
2. 1 ea. 12 volt 5 amp/hour rechargeable sealed lead acid battery ($14-$35)
3. Plumber's tape (metal strapping to hold battery in place)
4. Gorilla tape (to wrap around the strap & bubble wrap)
5. Nut & bolt (to secure strap)
6. Padding (to protect battery)
7. Standard SPST automotive switch (snaps in factory hole)
7. 20 ga wire
8. Red wire loom
9. Red electrical tape (to seal wire loom 'T' gap)
10. Tie straps
11. Tie strap anchors


Oddly the lights flicker when the engine is running, Not from vibration, so is the engine inducing current interference or what?
 

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Help understanding current draw

Hi guys, I'm wondering if someone can help me understand the amps that my LED light system is drawing. The voltage off the AC output off my snowblower is 17.6v. I built the AC/DC conversion circuit based on the youtube video posted by Donnyboy73 (similar to what many other here have posted):


I am powering these LED lamps that claim to be 34 watts each:

I am trying to figure out how many amps the circuit and lamps draw to determine how much I'm possibly overpowering the snowblower stator, and what size fuse to install. The strange thing is that I am getting about the same amp reading whether I have one LED lamp connected or two (in parallel). Here are two videos showing the amperage draw when I connect the lights. In both instances the amp draw starts off at over 100 milliamps and drops down and stabilizes at about 39 milliamps. Also the amperage reported strikes me as very low for two 72 watt LEDs to be drawing. If they truly are only drawing 39 milliamps, is it reasonable to assume the snowblower stator is not being stressed and a 1 amp fuse would be sufficient? I sense I'm missing something and would appreciate hearing from someone knowledgeable in electronics.

Here's a video of the amp reading with one lamp:


Here's a video of the amp reading with two lamps in parallel:


Here's a picture of my circuit using a bridge rectifier (KBPC5010) and two capacitors (50v 2200UF):

http://ibb.co/nQDFPsY

http://ibb.co/vqfVC0M

Here are links to all the parts I'm using:

LED Lamps: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00UV8OPKC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Bridge rectifiers: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B072XJ4VVQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Capacitors: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B073WP8PHR/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Project board: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07BXYKRWD/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 
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Hi guys, I'm wondering if someone can help me understand the amps that my LED light system is drawing. The voltage off the AC output off my snowblower is 17.6v. I built the AC/DC conversion circuit based on the youtube video posted by Donnyboy73 (similar to what many other here have posted):

I am powering these LED lamps that claim to be 34 watts each:

I am trying to figure out how many amps the circuit and lamps draw to determine how much I'm possibly overpowering the snowblower stator, and what size fuse to install. The strange thing is that I am getting about the same amp reading whether I have one LED lamp connected or two (in parallel). Here are two videos showing the amperage draw when I connect the lights. In both instances the amp draw starts off at over 100 milliamps and drops down and stabilizes at about 39 milliamps. Also the amperage reported strikes me as very low for two 72 watt LEDs to be drawing. If they truly are only drawing 39 milliamps, is it reasonable to assume the snowblower stator is not being stressed and a 1 amp fuse would be sufficient? I sense I'm missing something and would appreciate hearing from someone knowledgeable in electronics.

Do you have any powered accessories (factory lamp, grip warmers etc. (AC or DC)) that can be used as a reference load?
If you do, you can measure the output voltage of your stator and the current drawn by the accessory to get a ballpark figure to compare to your leds consumption.
BTW you are correct in suspecting the mA reading you got. 2x36W lamps should give you reading in Amps not mA. (I don't know what and/or how you meter is hooked up- give us more info.)
HTH
JerryR
 
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Diagram with Meter Connection

Hi Jerry, thank you very much for taking the time to reply. The snowblower has no other accessories other than a single halogen light/bulb. Here's a diagram of how I have the meter attached. Perhaps I have it connected incorrectly? Strange as I am only able to get a reading on the meter when switched to 200m. Setting at 20 results in the display showing a single digit "1". Sincerely appreciate if you can let me know if I have the meter connected correctly.
 

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Hi Jerry, thank you very much for taking the time to reply. The snowblower has no other accessories other than a single halogen light/bulb. Here's a diagram of how I have the meter attached. Perhaps I have it connected incorrectly? Strange as I am only able to get a reading on the meter when switched to 200m. Setting at 20 results in the display showing a single digit "1". Sincerely appreciate if you can let me know if I have the meter connected correctly.
The meter is connected correctly for current measurments (in series with the load) make sure it is set to DC current measurments.
Can I assume that the current measurments you are doing are while the LEDs are lit? if so, you should be reading Amps not mA. (the amazon link to your lights rates the lamps at 2.1A @12v ea).
Could the DC Amp range on your meter be defective? hook your meter and either one or both lamps to your car battery(OBSERVE POARITY), are the LEDs lit? what current reading do you get?
Did you measure the DC voltage feeding the LEDs? while measuring the DC voltage, change the AC/DC selector to AC, is there an AC voltage reading?
how high?
As for your worry that you might be exceeding the stator rating, unless you can get a hold of the mfr. specs, you will be guessing.
Or you could post here on the forum with as much info as you have about your blower (mfr., model, engine size/number) for your blower, so that someone on the forum familiar with it can help you with the specs (I only know the specs on my Ariens 24" Dlx).
My stator is rated at 60W(AC) and with 2 36 W lamps and grip warmers I probably will exceed the rating.
Another way to go and NOT involve the stator, rectifier, and caps, is to power the lamps with a battery-someone on this discussion done that.
double check ALL your connections, and pay close attention to polarities.
Let us know what you find.
HTH
JerryR
 
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Regarding your question/comments: Yes readings were taken with the LED lights on. As for the AC/DC switch setting, the meter was set to DC when I did took the reading. Testing the led lights off a car battery is a great idea. I'll try that this evening. I also picked up another meter this afternoon to test with as I'm starting to believe the meter might be defective. I'll post my findings off the car battery and with the new meter. As for using a separate battery, I thought about this but would prefer to wire directly to the blower. Thanks again for the help!
 
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After reading through this thread, I'm doing this mod on my Craftsman 536.881851. The only issue I am running into is I'm using this illuminated LED switch rocker switch and can't get the LED on the switch to light up. I'm not sure if I missed something so I've attached a crude drawing of the wiring. It may be hard to see but I put an S for silver and a G for gold for the terminals on the switch.

I have limited electrical knowledge and basically just tried to follow what I found in this thread, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks to everyone who contributed to this!
 

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You are trying to light the LED with 12v
Make sure it's also a DC rated switch. That switch you tried is AC rated only. You'll find that the DC voltage ratings are substantially lower than the AC ratings for a given switch. A common rating will be 120/240VAC or 36V DC. The reason is because of arc suppression... AC will go through a zero crossing within ~16mS and self-extinguish but once a DC arc is struck it tends to stay lit unless you lower the voltage or increase the separation between the contacts.

BTW, it would be simpler to use a non-illuminated switch. If it's switching big new LED headlights, do you really need a tiny, hard to see LED too? Just wondering.
 
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I'm glad i found this subject about adding LED lamps to a snowblower. I recently purchased a new one after owning a White for over 20 years and still going strong but I wanted to upgrade to a wider more powerful unit that will get the job done quicker and have all the neat features. The one thing that I thought would be cool is to have auxiliary lights but there was no decent solution from the manufacturers. I'm grateful for all the knowledge in this forum and it inspired me to do my own and give it that OEM look. I started out by getting a plastic project box to house the electronics. I wanted to have the original lamp converted to run DC and add a LED bulb and make it switchable so ( Why have any lights if you are snow blowing in the bright sunlight ? ) I ran two circuits through the box, side by side. I started out by splitting the power lead to the main light. Ran the two separate circuits though the box with rectifiers and capacitors out to each lamp set. I used the wiring harness from the lamp kit and purchased another harness for the original light and trimmed them up. This way I could drill out and square off the holes for the lighted rocker switches. Having some self adhesive black vinyl left over from another project and some 1/16th white stripe tape I made a mini dash below the main dash panel. Created labels from my label maker and gave it that clean OE look. While testing I noticed that the main light in center gives a nice wide beam which gives a nice side to side lighting. While the Auxbeam LED lighting provides a really good straight forward beam without pulsating. I can't wait to try them out in the next snow storm. Thanks for all the information and great ideas from this forum.

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4-way joystick chute control
14" serrated steel auger
Heated Hand Grips
Push Button Electric Start

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We ain’t getting no snow up here in New England, but i need to play with the RT, so i added some more LEDs, 2 red ones for the rear, and to white pointing down. Also put an orange LED in the stock housing. Don’t really need a white light in there with the to front LEDS, I’m a fan of Orange
I have also confirmed that the 881 size LED bulb is an exact replacement for the stock light. And i tried 4 different ones, and non flickered, so they.










 
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bkwudz, thanks for the pics and the info on the 880/881 compatibility. I got a new lamp housing after Frankensteining the old one to fit an H11. I will use the new housing with an 880/881 bulb form factor for clean mechanical fit. It looks like you went with Amber light for the 880 bulb, how bright is it? From what I am reading it looks like amber provides the most contrast in snow conditions and is the color of choice for snow plowers but not necessarily as bright as a white color (which can reflect off of snow). I also see that some bulbs provide dual capability. You turn on 1st time and it's white and then shut off then on again provides amber.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7qbegrrqux53m8y/2018_Ariens_Platinum_30_SHO_LED_Light_Upgrade.pdf?dl=0
 
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Did you have to wire in a bridge rectifier for the 881 LED, Might have to order one :grin:
 
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No bridge rectifier needed for the direct LED replacement of the halogen if you buy the right kind (see picture). I didn't use my AC/DC module to drive the headlight bulb, just for my LED light bar that required DC. My AC/DC module is 3A max. A lot of the LED bulbs (880/881/H11, etc..) now come with built-in rectifiers since they are meant to be plug and play replacements for halogens (who wants to add in a rectifier for a bulb replacement anymore). If they are an LED bulb and don't have any polarity on them then it might be plug and play but need to look at the specs. I did use an AC/DC module to run the LED light bar rather than a discrete rectifier and capacitors which you have to special mount and keep waterproof somehow since the caps are meant for circuit boards, not dowsed with snow. You can do it obviously, works fine, and probably cheaper but more work. The module is smaller foot print and 100% waterproof and has 2 mounting screws but the one I bought can drive only 36W (3A) max. The hand warmers run direct AC at 30W and the LED 880/881 bulb replacing the halogen is around 5-10W. There are other more expensive AC/DC modules if you want more amp capacity but my Ariens stator can only put out 5A max so it's not worth it since the hand warmers run on AC and they take up 2.6 amps of the 5 amps (leaving me 2.4 amps to work with). A 3amp AC/DC module is perfect for my application. If you don't have hand warmers then you got more power to spread around to run more powerful lights. I found my 2K lumen light on the front auger is plenty in addition to the LED headlight bulb.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7qbegrrqux53m8y/2018_Ariens_Platinum_30_SHO_LED_Light_Upgrade.pdf?dl=0
 

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Thats a very nice description you have made! I just bought a Hydro Pro 28 today and I am thinking about adding some better lights to it.

Can you explain how you figured out that the stator on your machine is 5A max? I see there is a DC output from the "engine" in your schematics. Have you tested to connect a DC load directly instead of using the AC/DC converter? Any answer is very much appriciated!
 
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Before winter, I did a bunch of work on my blower. I had also added handlebar heaters and changed from a halogen bulb to an 880 LED bulb. Bridge rectifier, capacitors, fuses and waterproof switches all installed per the diagrams I found here. LED bulb should last 50,000 hours. Nope, 15 seconds. Tried another one , 15 seconds. I have gone over the wiring 3 times and tried another rectifier. I put a third bulb in, 15 seconds. The heaters don't work either, which doesn't surprise me after seeing the wiring they are made with.
 
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I have 4 different 881 bulbs here i tried, and they all work with no flicker on any of them. 10W 20, 30 and 50 W, then the amber 25W. The 10 watt is useless, the stock bulb is brighter. Is say the 20/30W led is about equal to the stock light, just much more whiter, The 50W looks a little brighter. I really dont know what these wattages mean...LOL. I’ll say the 5Ow pulls less amps than the stock bulb, ill have to check again to get an exact number. The amber is not super bright, but i am using it more as a marker light, I have the two big LEDs that give me more light than i need, the amber, red and white LEDs are more for visibility, so cars can see me. Plus i thought the amber looked real cool. I’m looking around for a 50W amber light
 
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I believe you are experiencing flickering, but the frequency, which is dependent of your generator, is so high that you can't see it. The only thing you see is reduced intensity and that is probably why you see that an LED at 20/30W is equal to the stock lamp. It should have been much higher intensity than a 20W halogen. I think a 20W halogen is comparable to a 3W LED.

The drop in intensity is caused by the LED driver circuit that has a under voltage threshold which you need to be higher than for the LED to turn on. I guess the threshold is about 9V. With an AC at 14V you will only have a "working" LED when the sine is higher than 9V and that is much less than 50% of the time. See the attached plot that shows a horizontal line at 9V. Only when the AC is above that line you will have a working LED.
 

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I bought some of those high power LED bulbs (880's) with custom heat sinks (4K lumen) just to play with. Although very bright I found out that the big heat sinks gets in the way of the throttle when shifted all the way to high so those are out as stock replacements. Not much extra room other than a standard 881 right angle bulb. I guess you can always Frankenstein up the plastic housing and add 2-3 bulbs in from the sides. I have an extra housing and might try. Just glue them in since they last forever. I really like some of the dual LED bulbs that have both amber + white. You just switch back and forth by turning the light on and off again. Best of both colors.
 

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Hi I have a MTD with 13hp Tecumseh motor. I opened up the stock halogen light housing to measure voltage across the stock 27W incandescent bulb. At full throttle, I get like 7v AC across the two leads on the light bulb. The light bulb was on so does this mean my stator is only putting out 7V AC? That seems low so my only alternative is to mount a battery on board to power a couple of 18W Auxbeam led light pod?