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Upgrading your snowblower lights to LED lights (Please see 1st post edit/mouseover this link)

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[Edit: LED technology has improved exponentially since this thread was started. Be aware that earlier posts may be somewhat outdated, and that you will likely find the most useful information in later updates. Y.R.]

In this thread, we'll talk about the do's and don'ts of LED headlight upgrades for your snowblower, and post videos and pictures of our successes.
There are many models of snowblowers that have a headlight circuit, In most cases, you can find a single wire that registers at anywhere from 12v to 20v AC (with no load) that is located somewhere on the engine, many times under the gas tank. Halogen lights are the typical light that comes with many of our snowblowers. Many of us want much more light than what the halogen bulb can give us, as well as better reliability than a halogen bulb. The search for something brighter and more reliable ends with the LED light. LED's (Light Emitting Diodes) are extremely efficient, very bright, and have thousands of hours of reliable use.
Since the lighting circuit is typically AC current at somewhere between 40-60hertz, if you just attach an LED light to the circuit you'll get pulsing light (think on and off 40-60 times a second) This is caused by the nature of an LED, because an LED is polarity sensitive, and has no warm-up or cool down time when compared to a halogen bulb filament, the LED will flicker noticeably. The flickering of an LED on AC current is mildly annoying to many people, but VERY annoying when you are attaching it to a moving object like a snowblower. An LED that is in motion when attached to AC current (for reasons I won't even begin to get into) flickers much more noticeably. To test this for yourself, take a strand of LED Christmas lights, plug them in, and then swing them in front of you at arm's length, you'll see a strobing or flickering effect.
You can see many LED headlight upgrade videos on youtube like this one, where you can definitely see the flickering or strobing of the LED's. You can see the effect the flicker has on the video camera, you get weird tracks that go from top to bottom of the video frame.
1. EXAMPLE OF IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
2. EXAMPLE OF YET AGAIN AN IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
This is what it looks like once you add a bridge rectifier, even though you’ll see a tiny bit of flicker in the video, in person there is none, you also can notice that there is no “tracking” effect like in the other videos.

The problem of light flicker is solved by using a full wave bridge rectifier.

A bridge rectifier takes AC current and changes it into DC current using 4 diodes.

By connecting the positive and negative from your LED light(s) to the DC output of your bridge rectifier, and then connecting your single headlight circuit wire to one of the AC inputs of the bridge rectifier (it doesn't matter which AC input) and then attaching a wire from the metal of your snowblower to the other AC input you will have light! For safety purposes, it is recommended that you place a fuse on the headlight circuit wire before the bridge rectifier which should be about 5 amps rated fast blow, and then a fuse on the positive wiring between your bridge rectifier and your LED light that should be about ~1amp fast blow fuses. These fuse ratings are assuming you are using a headlight circuit that is rated for ~1amp at about 18volts, some headlight circuits are rated for 2, 3, or more amps, so using an amperage calculator like this one can help with both your LED light selection and your fuse selection. Volts/Amps/Watts Converter
Here's a pic of how I installed my bridge rectifier, I mounted it right next to my keyed switch that is on my handlebar console. I also used heat sink paste to couple the bridge rectifier’s metal casing to the console’s metal. I know this is way overkill, but my bridge rectifier came with the paste, and it was an easy application of some paste. The bridge rectifier I used is rated at 50amps 100volts KBPC5010 Bridge Rectifier | Alltronics

UPDATE: Using two 2200mfd 50v capacitors may be needed to clean up the voltage ripple that comes off of the DC output on your bridge rectifier. Some LED lights are sensitive to this ripple and may fail prematurely. Simply adding these capacitors in parallel on the DC output side of the bridge rectifier is a good precaution. Wire in the Capacitor(s) between the LED light(s) and the bridge rectifier. So the positive and negative of the bridge rectifier will go to the positive and negative of the capacitor. Then the positive and negative of the capacitor then get wired to the LED(s) positive and negative.

When choosing your LED lighting you typically have spotlights or flood lights available. Spotlights have a more pinpoint dispersion with very little side spill of light. Flood lights illuminate a wider area, and with the short distances (from LED light to relevant distance in front of your snowblower) you’ll want as wide dispersion as possible, or else you’ll get a tiny area in front of you illuminated. I made sure to get floodlights that were rated for voltage below what my snowblower headlight circuit tests at and above, so being that my snowblower headlight circuit tests at 18volts I picked a set of LED floodlights that were rated for 9-32 volts. I wanted to make sure that I would never be putting the floodlights in danger with whatever voltage the headlight circuit was producing, even a small voltage peak is accounted for. The floodlights I chose are 9 watts each, which is as much as my headlight circuit is rated for.
For those that appreciate a short(ish) video with some basic points noted here is a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZwebMaiyBY
 
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LED there be light

Good Morning from NW PA:

I recently upgraded to a Honda HSS1332AT, and while its light is better that the HSS928ATD I had, I am wondering about something. I do a bunch at night and like lite. I saw a couple of driving/work LED lights. Each was rated at 15 watts (5@3watts0 per light. My question is: Would it be possible to mount a set of lights like this, and power them when needed with a 12 Volt battery. Maybe even only one? What I need to know is how big of a battery would I need to have light for, say an hour? I could build a mounting bracket, but I don’t know how to figure out what size battery and how long it would last. Obviously, a car type battery would last longer, and put out more power, but a more compact tractor size battery would be more economical, and quicker to charge.
Any ofyousmart folks out there know the equations for relating wattage, voltage, and amperage output of a battery before it would need a recharge? A Deep Cycle would be best,but heavy, and $$$. Money is short, I just spent it on a new blower. This is the spec of the light(s) I was looking at.
• Pack of 2x 15w Square 30 Degree Super Spot beam
• 5pcs MEGA WATT 3w high intensity LEDs, Material: Heavy Duty Diecast Aluminum housing
• Brightness:1,200 lumens per light, Waterproof rate: IP 68 Voltage: 10-24V DC, Current 2.25A @12V, 1.125A @24V
LED
Voltage 12 volts
Wattage 15 watts
Any assistance/ideas, or thoughts/opinions would be greatly appreciated.
 
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> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7qbegrrqux53m8y/2018_Ariens_Platinum_30_SHO_LED_Light_Upgrade.pdf?dl=0

That's a fantastic write-up of the lighting. I see that the last item in the PDF, the dash lights where not implemented. I would like to shine a little light on the gears for night work. Would these work with the stock wiring and not need a rectifier? Would I just tap into the wires going to the stock headlight.

Any idea what the stator on the 369cc AX (21050) generates. Also, does the 12VAC to 12VDC converter module use up any of the stator output and take away from your budget calculations?

thank you!
 

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I never tested the DC Output. I assume its all coming from the same source so all get you get is 5A total but not sure. I know 414cc Platinum 30 stator is 5A (60W) because I maxed it out with my load testing and all it gave me is 5A. Slide 15 shows putting the hand warmers on (2.5A) plus at the same time I put a low resistance load (2.3ohms) across the AC/DC converter pulling the other 2.5A and it maxed out at 5A. I have also seen other blogs report out the same capacity.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7qbegrrqux53m8y/2018_Ariens_Platinum_30_SHO_LED_Light_Upgrade.pdf?dl=0
 
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Hi all!

First post on SBF! I’ve learned a bit about these machines here and decided to become active :).

I have an older Craftsman 536-881650 with Briggs alternator (part# 793640) which, per Google, is a 2-4amp DC alternator. I bought this machine for $75 and have been applying TLC to get it back in to good working order. Roughly $200 in with parts and upgrades/maintenance and I’m feeling pretty good about it! Now I’m adding lights to the machine so I don’t need to depend on my weaker head lamps.

I obviously won’t need an AC/DC rectifier, but how suspect should I be about the cleanliness of this alternator’s output?

I’ve just ordered a dual 18w 12v DC LED setup, and since it was roughly $14 I’m guessing these don’t have DC/DC rectifiers in them.

TON’s of great info in this thread! I’ve read through the first 10 pages and learned a lot! Any input is appreciated, and thanks!
 
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Hi all!

First post on SBF! I’️ve learned a bit about these machines here and decided to become active /forum/images/smilies/smile.gif.

I have an older Craftsman 536-881650 with Briggs alternator (part# 793640) which, per Google, is a 2-4amp DC alternator. I bought this machine for $75 and have been applying TLC to get it back in to good working order. Roughly $200 in with parts and upgrades/maintenance and I’️m feeling pretty good about it! Now I’️m adding lights to the machine so I don’️t need to depend on my weaker head lamps.





I obviously won’️t need an AC/DC rectifier, but how suspect should I be about the cleanliness of this alternator’️s output?

I’️ve just ordered a dual 18w 12v DC LED setup, and since it was roughly $14 I’️m guessing these don’️t have DC/DC rectifiers in them.

TON’️s of great info in this thread! I’️ve read through the first 10 pages and learned a lot! Any input is appreciated, and thanks!
Hi all!

So I ended up finding a capacitor that came with the positive lead off the engine’s alternator, so I’m going to try it and see what the result is.

My research indicated this to be a 2-4amp alternator, so I went with the dual 18 watt flood lights. Tonight was the first opportunity I had to make things light up for the first time after bolting and loosely wiring everything up and wow - there won’t be any problem with light at night! I’m using the frame as my negative and running wire only to the lead coming out of the alternator. Will follow up on the progress 🙂. This test was not using engine power but an alternate 12v source (LiPo battery for an RC plane).
 

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Help with LED's

Hi all,
I have a Craftsman snow thrower model 247.55791 I bought new in 2010. I've read every page of this thread to try to figure out how to add led lights to my snow thrower. I am very confused. There is a harness that comes out below the starter (see pic) it has a lead for heated grips and one for the headlight. Does anyone know if I can use the heated grip lead to power the led's with out the rectifier and capacitors I've read about. Any explanation and even a diagram would be most helpful. Thank you all for your time.
Dave
 

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Hey all. So I just bought my first snowblower and went with the ariens 28 sho. I just wired up 2 18w cree LEDs lights thanks to MnP40c's video and post. Maybe I'm just tired but I can't figure out how to wire in a switch that has a built in light. I did not use any capacitors for flicker either. . I will add those later. Can anyone explain how to wire the switch ?
 
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How do I find out what the output for the stator is? I want to run these lights and wonder if my machine can handle them without issues.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01ET0JK1Q/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
You can try to search for a part list for your blower. Then look for the stator or generator. The output may be specified there, if not you can google the part no. See attached picture of the list on an Ariens Pro.

I have two 12W Flood LEDs with a bridge rectifier and sufficient capacitance. That gives plenty of light.
 

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A "load across the stator" means something that draws a desired amount of current. Since we're dealing with relatively low frequencies here, we can treat everything as simple DC and Ohm's Law becomes really easy to use.


Power = Voltage * Current. If we presume the voltage coming off the generator/alternator is 12VDC, then 5 amps yields (12V * 5A =) 60 watts. Which just happens to be a common wattage for a 12V sealed beam car headlight, and why I keep one around for exactly these kinds of tests. It's a purely resistive load, though it does have significant inrush current until the filament heats up.


Next, you need a way to measure current. An ammeter, or a multimeter with an ammeter function whose range is sufficient for the test, is the proper tool for this job. You could derive current by measuring the voltage across the load, or even the generator, and calculate the current based on the voltage drop, but there's a far better way:


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Take this coupon to Harbor Freight, buy ANYTHING, and they'll give you this digital multimeter (DMM) for free. This coupon is good through mid-March and applies to several different models. Make sure you get item # 69096 because it has a 10 amp current range (others only go to 5A). This DMM is no lab instrument but it is sufficient for the tests in this thread. And frankly every even modest DIY'er should have a basic DMM around anyway.


Once you have your load (car headlight) and this meter, plug the black lead into the COM jack and the red lead into the 10A jack. Turn the dial to the 10A setting. Connect one of the DMM leads to one terminal of the generator. Connect one lead of the load to the other terminal of the generator. Turn on the DMM's power switch. Connect the other lead of the DMM to the other lead of the load. This arrangement will put the DMM in series with the load - all current flowing through the load must also flow through the DMM where it will be displayed in convenient digital form.You may ignore any polarity indication on the display, it doesn't matter for what you're doing here.


Note that you can substitute different loads and read their current this same way. Want to test an LED headlight? Just connect it up instead of the headlight. This can reveal some very interesting things. I recently upgraded all of the lights on my Case 580SK from their original incandescent sealed beams to LED light bars and spots. Each of the LED lights had a current consumption rating, and I picked them based on using just a bit less current than the incandescents I was replacing so I would get the maximum light possible. But when I hooked them up at home, they consumed about half their rated current! I could have gone for about 2X the "rated" current and been just fine. I even confirmed this with an oscilloscope and dedicated current probe. Annoying, but I didn't feel like paying shipping to return the LED bars so I'm just consuming less current now.


Hope this helps. Report back!
 
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Or you can buy this 2.5ohm, 100W, power resistor for cheap on Amazon and it will draw roughly 5A's when you put it across the output of the stator. This will simulate a light (or hand warmers, etc.) that draws 5 amps to test if the stator can handle it. Don't leave it there (or any full load) for a long period of time. Just enough time to take the measurement. https://www.amazon.com/a12050500ux0020-Chassis-Aluminum-Wirewound-Resistor/dp/B01CV607H6.

I show pictures of measurements in my LED upgrade.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7qbegrrqux53m8y/2018_Ariens_Platinum_30_SHO_LED_Light_Upgrade.pdf?dl=0
 
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Or you can buy this 2.5ohm, 100W, power resistor for cheap on Amazon and it will draw roughly 5A's when you put it across the output of the stator.
Another good option. I suggested the headlight because most people have immediate access to at least two {grin}, don't have to spend money to use it, and don't have to wait for its arrival. There's also no heat dissipation issues with a headlight that is intended to operate from 12VDC, whereas that power resistor expects to be mounted to some kind of heat sink to dissipate 60W for all but the shortest intervals.
 
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Hi jtreveloni

A couple questions about the 3 LEDs in the existing fixture... if thats OK.

Just curious did you ever take apart any of the H8 or 881 lamps to see what they are doing to even out the AC?

Looks like you went with the H8 base for the 2 outside lamps, was this because the mount was easier to cut into the fixture?

Have you noticed any heat issues (melting) in the fixture?

Also, just to confirm... the addition of the 3 LED lamps in the fixture didn't need a fuse, or converter, or capacitor etc?

thank you,
 
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I glued the LED bulbs into the fixture. No heat issues since its about the same power as the stock halogen bulb (20W). No fuse needed, just replaced the halogen bulb with 3 LED bulbs at the same wattage (the beauty of low power LEDs). The LED bulbs I purchased have the bridge rectifier built in so they can run off of AC. No capacitor needed.
 
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The dremel worked great. I found an interesting article on Lumens and headlight output - https://www.ledoauto.com/blog/index...g/index.php/2017/10/10/how-many-lumen-do-a-led-car-headlight-bulbs-really-have/

And a link to a luminous flux meter that is mentioned in the article: http://www.tes.com.tw/en/product_detail.asp?seq=365

They explain that manufacturers post a theoretical peak Lumen amount. This is based on the top line possible output of a single LED chip and then multiplied by the number of LEDs used in the lamp. As a result the numbers are not to be believed for real world applications.... but I really do want a luminous flux meter!
 
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After reading that you were able to notch out the plastic so that the lamp would mount I went for it.. it was relatively successful. I started by removing the fake lamp bump with a coping saw blade and the rest was easy with a dremel cutting bit.

I am using some inexpensive 881 LED lamps. They don't seem to be all that bright by comparison to the halogen. But when standing in front of the snowblower it appears that some of the problem may be the pattern of the LED isn't efficient with the reflector design. The halogen has the advantage of an even distribution of light whereas LEDs are positioned on 4 sides and front. Having a total of 3 lamps and a more even distribution of light in the fixture should give me plenty of light. I will also be adding a handlebar type switch so that I don't have to keep them on all the time.

thanks again for all the tips and ideas!