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Upgrading your snowblower lights to LED lights (Please see 1st post edit/mouseover this link)

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[Edit: LED technology has improved exponentially since this thread was started. Be aware that earlier posts may be somewhat outdated, and that you will likely find the most useful information in later updates. Y.R.]

In this thread, we'll talk about the do's and don'ts of LED headlight upgrades for your snowblower, and post videos and pictures of our successes.
There are many models of snowblowers that have a headlight circuit, In most cases, you can find a single wire that registers at anywhere from 12v to 20v AC (with no load) that is located somewhere on the engine, many times under the gas tank. Halogen lights are the typical light that comes with many of our snowblowers. Many of us want much more light than what the halogen bulb can give us, as well as better reliability than a halogen bulb. The search for something brighter and more reliable ends with the LED light. LED's (Light Emitting Diodes) are extremely efficient, very bright, and have thousands of hours of reliable use.
Since the lighting circuit is typically AC current at somewhere between 40-60hertz, if you just attach an LED light to the circuit you'll get pulsing light (think on and off 40-60 times a second) This is caused by the nature of an LED, because an LED is polarity sensitive, and has no warm-up or cool down time when compared to a halogen bulb filament, the LED will flicker noticeably. The flickering of an LED on AC current is mildly annoying to many people, but VERY annoying when you are attaching it to a moving object like a snowblower. An LED that is in motion when attached to AC current (for reasons I won't even begin to get into) flickers much more noticeably. To test this for yourself, take a strand of LED Christmas lights, plug them in, and then swing them in front of you at arm's length, you'll see a strobing or flickering effect.
You can see many LED headlight upgrade videos on youtube like this one, where you can definitely see the flickering or strobing of the LED's. You can see the effect the flicker has on the video camera, you get weird tracks that go from top to bottom of the video frame.
1. EXAMPLE OF IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
2. EXAMPLE OF YET AGAIN AN IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
This is what it looks like once you add a bridge rectifier, even though you’ll see a tiny bit of flicker in the video, in person there is none, you also can notice that there is no “tracking” effect like in the other videos.

The problem of light flicker is solved by using a full wave bridge rectifier.

A bridge rectifier takes AC current and changes it into DC current using 4 diodes.

By connecting the positive and negative from your LED light(s) to the DC output of your bridge rectifier, and then connecting your single headlight circuit wire to one of the AC inputs of the bridge rectifier (it doesn't matter which AC input) and then attaching a wire from the metal of your snowblower to the other AC input you will have light! For safety purposes, it is recommended that you place a fuse on the headlight circuit wire before the bridge rectifier which should be about 5 amps rated fast blow, and then a fuse on the positive wiring between your bridge rectifier and your LED light that should be about ~1amp fast blow fuses. These fuse ratings are assuming you are using a headlight circuit that is rated for ~1amp at about 18volts, some headlight circuits are rated for 2, 3, or more amps, so using an amperage calculator like this one can help with both your LED light selection and your fuse selection. Volts/Amps/Watts Converter
Here's a pic of how I installed my bridge rectifier, I mounted it right next to my keyed switch that is on my handlebar console. I also used heat sink paste to couple the bridge rectifier’s metal casing to the console’s metal. I know this is way overkill, but my bridge rectifier came with the paste, and it was an easy application of some paste. The bridge rectifier I used is rated at 50amps 100volts KBPC5010 Bridge Rectifier | Alltronics

UPDATE: Using two 2200mfd 50v capacitors may be needed to clean up the voltage ripple that comes off of the DC output on your bridge rectifier. Some LED lights are sensitive to this ripple and may fail prematurely. Simply adding these capacitors in parallel on the DC output side of the bridge rectifier is a good precaution. Wire in the Capacitor(s) between the LED light(s) and the bridge rectifier. So the positive and negative of the bridge rectifier will go to the positive and negative of the capacitor. Then the positive and negative of the capacitor then get wired to the LED(s) positive and negative.

When choosing your LED lighting you typically have spotlights or flood lights available. Spotlights have a more pinpoint dispersion with very little side spill of light. Flood lights illuminate a wider area, and with the short distances (from LED light to relevant distance in front of your snowblower) you’ll want as wide dispersion as possible, or else you’ll get a tiny area in front of you illuminated. I made sure to get floodlights that were rated for voltage below what my snowblower headlight circuit tests at and above, so being that my snowblower headlight circuit tests at 18volts I picked a set of LED floodlights that were rated for 9-32 volts. I wanted to make sure that I would never be putting the floodlights in danger with whatever voltage the headlight circuit was producing, even a small voltage peak is accounted for. The floodlights I chose are 9 watts each, which is as much as my headlight circuit is rated for.
For those that appreciate a short(ish) video with some basic points noted here is a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZwebMaiyBY
 
#211 ·
bubbenboy.

When it comes to this sortta stuff TRUST Super. He and JR HAWK got this whole thing going. They are very wise.

Like I said in your original post. I read, and re read EVERY post many times before I dove into this project and each time I picked up on a little more, and I'm a moron when it comes to this stuff, and I had GREAT success. Be sure to work in a capacitor. Just t a k e y o u r t i m e.

In fact I'm seriously thinking about getting my fathers old Ariens hooking up some LED's being I had so much fun doing this to mine.
 
#218 ·
Hi gang,
Well you guys finally did it to me, got the Led lighting conversion bug. Of course a few question is in order to proceed.
Here's my engine numbers:

Engine: Model: LH358SA Spec: 159658A DOM: 08070CB1329
Engine Family: 8TPXS.3582BF DISP: 358
I have both AC and alternator wires. As of now AC is for the regular light and DC is being used for my 20 watt total hand warmers.
I assume very guardedly I could use the DC wires to power the led light
(27 watt flood) and do away with the bridge rectifier install and put the heat warmers on the AC line. Furthermore do you think I still need the 2200mfd 50v capacitors on the Dc line for the Led lights?
Would the AC affect the heat warmers with the ripple effect of the current? I think not but not sure.
Sorry for the cascade of questions but remember you guys gave me the bug :)
Take care All
Norm
 
#220 ·
Hi Superedge,
Thank you for the prompt response. I'm cannot check this as the 1130DLE blower is at another garage but are you asking because 20 watts with the handwarmers might be too much of a draw on the AC side ?

Thanks

Norm
 
#221 ·
Got my 27 watts Led light. It cost $50.00+tax and emits 2160 lumens.
Now does the dc alternator have "dirty voltage" like AC with bridge rectifier, in other words will I require a capacitor even though it is DC output direct from alternator.

Many thanks
 
#224 ·
Hi SuperEdge here's the photo of the bulb as nowhere it indicates the wattage. To jump a step, if it is a 18 watt bulb would it harm anything if connected to the 20 watt total handwarmers? One would think there should be a couple watts leeway with the AC stator, am I off track thinking as such? Wow sorry for the pic size. Maybe it's a 100 watt bulb!:)

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As far as what I would recommend, if it's unknown what amperage you are working with it's always best to test if possible. I would bet that if you take the bulb out of your existing headlight you would find a wattage indicated on the bulb.
I don't know much about the handwarmers, since I've never needed or had them, you'll have to do more research on why the existing handwarmers are on a DC circuit, is there any issue with switching them to an AC circuit? I wouldn't think that there would be an issue, but I could be wrong.
I'd be worried about putting a 27 watt load (led headlight) on a circuit that previously only had a 20 watt load on it.
In a nutshell I would check the wattage of the existing headlight bulb, match the led headlight to that wattage and be done with it without messing with the hand warmers. That's just what I would do, you can take the risk of burning up your stator if you'd like, you might be just fine.
Have you exhausted all options trying to find what amperage the existing circuits are rated at?
 
#228 ·
I have 3 of those smart chargers laying about with quick connects also
I plan to put a toggle switch to enable off when using during the day.

Googling around does not give me what size battery they used on snowblowers so maybe an ATV battery would be sufficient?
How does one calculate the draw time on 27 watts use?

Many thanks
 
#230 ·
Thanks for the link Superedge, lots of calculations involved. I found a SLA battery with 8.2 A/H and by my calcs it should run for around 10 hrs?
The reason I mention this one is because Amazon have one for $53.00 free shipping and they claim is worth $100.00. The battery comes from UPGM.

Thanks
 
#232 ·
Thks Superedge but I'm from Canada and we have to be careful when we buy these items with duties and everything.
I spoke with the UPG Batteries people (from Texas) and they based on the 27watt, 2.25 amps draw recommend their UB12180 which is 12 volts and 18AH because of the temperature it will be operating in, they tell me the battery should last 4.67hrs with the LED light. I have found one on Amazon.ca selling for $44.00 with free shipping. I am posting this for anyone who might go this route.

Many Thanks
 
#234 ·
Well I finished the complete install of handwarmer to AC stator which works well on the running test I did with it and the Led and battery with toggle switch and fused at 2 amps. BUT the Led was happy and bright when engine off drawing straight from battery. I then started the engine with everything fine at idle and here's the BUT when I full throttle the engine (3500 RPM) the Led went dark. 50 bucks kaput. The engine alternator was connected to the battery. Those light are like dark magic they're meant to handle up to 50 volts so what gives. I tested full throttle voltage and it was 17v. Dirty Voltage via the alternator connected to battery? I know now capacitor must be required and feel free to I told you so. Why don't these light have them incorporated in their circuit. I will post photos of the set up. I'm not quite sure how to size the capacitor and how for the installation.

Many Thanks
 
#235 ·
I actually thought you'd be fine with the battery without the capacitor. When you now state that you were getting 17 volts to the battery on high rpm I'm a little worried. 17 volts is on the very high side of charging a battery from my 12volt experience, typically 16 volts is the ceiling. I don't know exactly at what point the battery is going to melt down, but I believe you are near that point at 17volts. Being that your charging circuit is far above the battery voltage I believe that the battery was no longer smoothing ripples in the voltage. I would have thought that in a charging circuit there would be some sort of smoothing of the voltage before it got to the battery. I'm wondering if your snowblower is lacking DC voltage regulation that is on the other models that came with an on board battery stock? I'm not sure what is going on here, it looks like you are wading in to territory that I may not be able to help you with since I'm not able to trouble shoot things in person. I want to help, but without knowing what everything is/was testing out at, with a reliable multimeter it is very difficult to tell. In your particular case, I would be very wary about that DC charging circuit, as it may not be acting like it should. Do you have any service manuals for your snowblower to look over to see what is supposed to be involved with the charging circuit? None of the snowblowers I've owned had an on board battery, so my experience with the charging circuits on snowblowers is zero.
 
#236 ·
Thanks Superedge for your quick reply. For a Multimeter I use a Milwaukee with the amp clamp and separate probes. When I tested initially at full it showed 16.6 then went to to 17v. I will make further tests at full throttle. At idle it shows 13.8v. I shall speak also to the battery supplier and get their thoughts. My unit manual doesn't mention much on the alternator. Maybe Ariens shed some light? As of now I can't.:)
 
#237 · (Edited)
Hi again, here's a few photo of adding a 12v battery + on the other photo the 27 watt Led Light with toggle just above to allow turning the light off during daytime.
I wrapped the battery with bubble wrap to insulate from vibration.
It was a tight fit below the gas tank (battery size 6.5"H 7"L 3.5"W)
It is 18AH which would last almost 5 hrs on its own. I normally take 1.5hr maximum for 150ft X 2.5 cars wide driveway.
 

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#238 · (Edited)
SuperEdge after checking with our guru small engine mechanic in my area, the wiring that is used for the light (stator) and the additional wiring for battery charging comes from the same source the stator. The battery charging circuit only involves a rectifier added to the stator circuit. Some people and as I thought there was a stator and a separate alternator.
The circuit from the stator explains the dirty voltage. The mechanic told a new rectifier regulator is around $55 bucks.
So as I read somewhere Einstein once said" It is very easy for idiots to make things more complex but much smarter the one who does the same simpler" so in this case I played both characters.
I came back and rewired eliminating the charging circuit to the battery which now the Led Light will be powered solely with the 12v battery. It is now wired with a quick connect for the trickle charger. Do you think if the negative from the stator originally meant for the AC light is now connected to the negative on battery or should simply connect to the frame? I know as of now everything works as it should.

Thank you
 
#240 ·
Yes that's correct the battery is now not connected to the engine. The DC current proved to be dirty DC.
After a snowblowing event at night I will connect the battery to a trickle charger via a quick connect wires I set up.

Many Thanks
 
#241 ·
So then per your experience others should know to first test the DC output of a snowblower that is made to have an onboard battery before retrofitting a battery to it. I bet that the battery would have eventually prematurely failed, or maybe even melted down if you hadn't caught the 17v charging issue. We all learned from your situation, thanks for reporting back to us.
 
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Allright, so I finally finished up the LED install on the Honda. I figured I should stop procrastinating because once the baby is here (11 days past due right now) there isn't going to be much extra time on hand to get this project finished up! So here are some non snowy pics of the three LED install, video will be forthcoming once it snows a touch to get a real feel for the brightness of the LED's


 

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Allright, so I finally finished up the LED install on the Honda. I figured I should stop procrastinating because once the baby is here (11 days past due right now) there isn't going to be much extra time on hand to get this project finished up! So here are some non snowy pics of the three LED install, video will be forthcoming once it snows a touch to get a real feel for the brightness of the LED's



That looks fantastic! Needless to say...I think I know what I'm doing :)
 
#247 ·
Is that the factory bracket?

And I feel for you brother, cause when momma ain't happy, nobody is happy.
 
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This is my honda snowblower. And thanks to your guide i was able to mount my 10w led flood with a bridge rectifier and 2 two 2200mfd 50v capacitors. No flicker!

Thanks guys!
Only some of your pics attached, but from what I see it looks awesome! You and I had some of the same ideas for mounting the LED's.
 
#257 ·
I would almost not want them to change. Because I would worry that they would not be as bright as our LED upgrades. If they went to a stock LED then I would wonder if they would then put on a smaller stator which would then make it impossible to DIY a brighter option due to lack of available amperage.