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Upgrading your snowblower lights to LED lights (Please see 1st post edit/mouseover this link)

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[Edit: LED technology has improved exponentially since this thread was started. Be aware that earlier posts may be somewhat outdated, and that you will likely find the most useful information in later updates. Y.R.]

In this thread, we'll talk about the do's and don'ts of LED headlight upgrades for your snowblower, and post videos and pictures of our successes.
There are many models of snowblowers that have a headlight circuit, In most cases, you can find a single wire that registers at anywhere from 12v to 20v AC (with no load) that is located somewhere on the engine, many times under the gas tank. Halogen lights are the typical light that comes with many of our snowblowers. Many of us want much more light than what the halogen bulb can give us, as well as better reliability than a halogen bulb. The search for something brighter and more reliable ends with the LED light. LED's (Light Emitting Diodes) are extremely efficient, very bright, and have thousands of hours of reliable use.
Since the lighting circuit is typically AC current at somewhere between 40-60hertz, if you just attach an LED light to the circuit you'll get pulsing light (think on and off 40-60 times a second) This is caused by the nature of an LED, because an LED is polarity sensitive, and has no warm-up or cool down time when compared to a halogen bulb filament, the LED will flicker noticeably. The flickering of an LED on AC current is mildly annoying to many people, but VERY annoying when you are attaching it to a moving object like a snowblower. An LED that is in motion when attached to AC current (for reasons I won't even begin to get into) flickers much more noticeably. To test this for yourself, take a strand of LED Christmas lights, plug them in, and then swing them in front of you at arm's length, you'll see a strobing or flickering effect.
You can see many LED headlight upgrade videos on youtube like this one, where you can definitely see the flickering or strobing of the LED's. You can see the effect the flicker has on the video camera, you get weird tracks that go from top to bottom of the video frame.
1. EXAMPLE OF IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
2. EXAMPLE OF YET AGAIN AN IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
This is what it looks like once you add a bridge rectifier, even though you’ll see a tiny bit of flicker in the video, in person there is none, you also can notice that there is no “tracking” effect like in the other videos.

The problem of light flicker is solved by using a full wave bridge rectifier.

A bridge rectifier takes AC current and changes it into DC current using 4 diodes.

By connecting the positive and negative from your LED light(s) to the DC output of your bridge rectifier, and then connecting your single headlight circuit wire to one of the AC inputs of the bridge rectifier (it doesn't matter which AC input) and then attaching a wire from the metal of your snowblower to the other AC input you will have light! For safety purposes, it is recommended that you place a fuse on the headlight circuit wire before the bridge rectifier which should be about 5 amps rated fast blow, and then a fuse on the positive wiring between your bridge rectifier and your LED light that should be about ~1amp fast blow fuses. These fuse ratings are assuming you are using a headlight circuit that is rated for ~1amp at about 18volts, some headlight circuits are rated for 2, 3, or more amps, so using an amperage calculator like this one can help with both your LED light selection and your fuse selection. Volts/Amps/Watts Converter
Here's a pic of how I installed my bridge rectifier, I mounted it right next to my keyed switch that is on my handlebar console. I also used heat sink paste to couple the bridge rectifier’s metal casing to the console’s metal. I know this is way overkill, but my bridge rectifier came with the paste, and it was an easy application of some paste. The bridge rectifier I used is rated at 50amps 100volts KBPC5010 Bridge Rectifier | Alltronics

UPDATE: Using two 2200mfd 50v capacitors may be needed to clean up the voltage ripple that comes off of the DC output on your bridge rectifier. Some LED lights are sensitive to this ripple and may fail prematurely. Simply adding these capacitors in parallel on the DC output side of the bridge rectifier is a good precaution. Wire in the Capacitor(s) between the LED light(s) and the bridge rectifier. So the positive and negative of the bridge rectifier will go to the positive and negative of the capacitor. Then the positive and negative of the capacitor then get wired to the LED(s) positive and negative.

When choosing your LED lighting you typically have spotlights or flood lights available. Spotlights have a more pinpoint dispersion with very little side spill of light. Flood lights illuminate a wider area, and with the short distances (from LED light to relevant distance in front of your snowblower) you’ll want as wide dispersion as possible, or else you’ll get a tiny area in front of you illuminated. I made sure to get floodlights that were rated for voltage below what my snowblower headlight circuit tests at and above, so being that my snowblower headlight circuit tests at 18volts I picked a set of LED floodlights that were rated for 9-32 volts. I wanted to make sure that I would never be putting the floodlights in danger with whatever voltage the headlight circuit was producing, even a small voltage peak is accounted for. The floodlights I chose are 9 watts each, which is as much as my headlight circuit is rated for.
For those that appreciate a short(ish) video with some basic points noted here is a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZwebMaiyBY
 
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2200 50v capacitors?

Great thread. Thank you to the original poster and those who have shared advice.

Two questions that someone may be able to help answer:

#1.MrFix-it expressed concern over the high capacity of the 2200 mfd 50v capacitors being used here. After reading the entire thread a couple times, I haven't noticed anyone address the issue. worse case..how big/crazy/ hot of an explosion are we talking if things go bad? I have no experience or idea. would a much smaller capacitor suffice?

#2. I have recently acquired a honda HS 724TA. It has the one wire coming the stator and no light kit installed. I am not able to find spects on the stator capacity. Anyone have info on this model? I find lots of light kits but cannot find wattages for this model.

Thank you in advance
 

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#265 ·
Great thread. Thank you to the original poster and those who have shared advice.

Two questions that someone may be able to help answer:

#1.MrFix-it expressed concern over the high capacity of the 2200 mfd 50v capacitors being used here. After reading the entire thread a couple times, I haven't noticed anyone address the issue. worse case..how big/crazy/ hot of an explosion are we talking if things go bad? I have no experience or idea. would a much smaller capacitor suffice?

#2. I have recently acquired a honda HS 724TA. It has the one wire coming the stator and no light kit installed. I am not able to find spects on the stator capacity. Anyone have info on this model? I find lots of light kits but cannot find wattages for this model.

Thank you in advance
I believe that you have a 3 amp stator, but I can't guarantee that. Maybe later I can try to do some google searching for you.
 
#266 · (Edited)
Superedge...Im chuckling a little because I see that you end up google-ing for a lot of people.

I appreciate the quick reply and the offer of assistance. For what its worth, I believe Im cyber capable but for the life of me Im not finding it...

Any thoughts on the 50v capacitor or is it a non-issue?

Thank you for taking the time to make this such a great thread!
 
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Superedge...Im chucking a little because I see that you end up google-ing for a lot of people.

I appreciate the quick reply and the offer of assistance. For what its worth, I believe Im cyber capable but for the life of me Im not finding it...

Any thoughts on the 50v capacitor or is it a non-issue?

Thank you for taking the time to make this such a great thread!
I found the replacement bulb part number here
Honda Snow Blower Head Lights
Then I did a Google search for that part number and found it on Amazon listed as a 12v55w bulb. So it looks like it should be a 3 amp stator.
 
#267 ·
Coming from someone who has rebuild dozens of audio amplifiers for hobby and money....you have nothing to worry about the capacitors....all you're creating with the rectifier and cap or two is a crude basic DC power supply.

Worst case scenario you hook the clearly labeled polarity of the caps backwards and they overheat and pop. The 50V rating of the capacitor is just the maximum working voltage it can operate under. You could use 450V rated caps and they'd work, they'd just be complete overkill. I'll probably do the power supply for my Honda from my junk box of parts. Mixed values, voltage ratings...etc. It doesn't matter because it's for a light...
 
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Honda 724 TA coil

Ok I believe I have found what I need. I was so worried Superedge would find it before me that I kicked it into cybersearch-overdrive.

Looks like all most models of the honda 724 have a 50watt coil. Just as SuperEdge said.

Thank you.

Looks like I'm my way to an LED lighted snowplowing season!
 

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#272 ·
I just got a Snapper H1528E and noticed in my garage that the stock LED's have this flicker going on to them. Now I was an electronics engineering major for 2 years and I am comfortable doing the original post mods but shouldn't this have been taken care of at the factory? Not sure I want to tear into the wiring of my brand new blower. Anyone have any thoughts?
 
#273 ·
Is the snowblower running smoothly?
Assuming that is the case then the only way to do this is to break out your multimeter and figure out what's wrong. It's either AC voltage being fed directly to the led headlight (it's possible if snapper really went cheap on the lighting) or it's really dirty DC voltage that's feeding the LED headlight and you simply need a capacitor to smooth it out. Shouldn't be very difficult to troubleshoot. It is odd that you're having this issue with a new blower, should have been installed correctly from the start. Let us know what you find is the issue so that others that have your Snowblower can then know what it takes to fix this issue. Best of luck to you!
 
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That seems like a real shame. It would appear that they have produced a real fine machine, something that genuinely stacks up to the rest of the market offerings, just to be capped off by one item that was essentially slapped together.
 
#278 ·
Why not put the rectifier closer to the light, not cut the wires and build simple jumpers to the light.
 
#279 · (Edited)
Where the two wires come out of the harness for the lights under the dash they go right into the one light almost immediately. I was going to cut that off as my AC source for the rectifier and then run the DC leads back to that first light that then parallels over to the second. Where they come out of the harness they are not even long enough to get terminals crimped on so that is why I was going to extend them and then run it to wherever I mount the rectifier so I can tuck it up under the dash, out of harms way. Does that make sense? I haven't really looked at it to hard and I need to look at it again before I actually start to mess with it. I forget where exactly all the wires went when they came out of the harness under the dash.
 
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Here is what I was trying to explain. The red wire going to the lights is the AC power and the green wire goes to a ground on the motor if I traced it right. Plan was to cut into them and mount the rectifier in between the two lights. Also I am still not 100% sure how you splice the caps in. I was looking at this at work and pictures don't show up, are there any pictures in this thread of the wiring of the caps? I know what they look like and how they work just want to make sure I do the best job I can once the rectifier arrives.

 
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warm vs cool light?

Are warm LEDs of the same wattage less bright? Do you find that the higher kelvin (more blue) better or worse in snow. I just tried a direct replacement LED lamp which was close but not as bright. But even so I was biased to the warmer color of the incandescent.

what are your thoughts on the color of the lamps?

Also, the LED that I used to replace a 1141 bulb BA15s base, was listed as 4w ac/dc and used 126 SMD LEDs of a current style. They must be including some electronics to control the flicker because there was none visible.

Are any of the Cree 10w spot/work lights like this photo built with components to reduce flicker?

Image
 
#286 ·
The cree light you posted does not come with any rectification, very few floodlights that I have found do.
The Kelvin temperature is VERY relative. Home bulbs, compared to car bulbs compared to aquarium lighting etc. all can vary quite a bit as far as what they'll call 6000K, 10,000K etc. As a general rule, if the LED light is listed as White you should assume that there is a touch of blue to the light. The color rendering of a "white" LED light is typically not as good as a Warm LED light. Warm LED lights are pretty darn close to the yellow light of and incandescent and are better at color rendering to our eyes since our eyes have evolved to utilize this color temperature of light. Color rendering is not very important in a snowblower light, after all, everything is white as snow when you are blowing. I actually prefer the White LED lights for snowblowing because it is very bright, and very noticeable when folks are driving by the end of the driveway which can keep you a little bit safer.
It is not difficult to wire up a rectifier for your situation, if you need help just ask questions.
 
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I personnally prefer the whiter light just as it turns to blue, so around 5300-5800°K. You are definitely into the bluish tint at 6000°K. On my cars I run 5300°K when I can find them. Most of these lights are designed for boats and motorcycles and input voltage ranges from 10-30V. Here are typical specs for one.


Operating Voltage: 10-30V DC
Waterproof rate: IP 67
Beam Pattern: Flood beam,Spot beam
Color Temperature: 6000K (pure white)
Material: Diecast aluminum housing
Lens material: PMMA lens
Mounting Bracket: Stainless Steel
Theoretical Lumens Output: 1400 LM
LED Power: 18W (6pcs*3w CREE high intensity LEDs )
 
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The Kelvin scale is a set scale 4300°K is daylight and is predertimed by it's emmited wavelenght. Different people might perceive it as a different color depending on their eye's acuity, colorblind people need no explanation. So setting the temperature of an emitting Diode is not done by color but rather measured by a wavelenght measuring meter. Photographers used these. Color temperature meter.

The only reason I prefer 5300°K is because it makes whites more visible like lettering on signs, deer chest & tail and of course the side line on the road. Very important. None of these will be a factor in your yard of course and you don't want too bright either or you will wash out any edges giving contour to your work.


The color your eye is most sensitive to is yellow towards the green around 3200°K but not a lot of yellow with snow so I'm still going with white as a good source of light in the snow. I assume that's why Yamaha went with white LEDs.

 
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This is all assuming that they are actually using a photometer to "rate" the bulbs. The scale itself is pretty straight forward, but within different industries the rating is VERY relative. A metal halide aquarium bulb that is 10,000k is very white with nary a hint of blue. An HID bulb for you car that is rated as 10,000k has a ton of blue. Kelvin ratings are sadly only as honest as the company that stamps it on the bulb.
 
#290 ·
Unfortunately your right, some companies do intentionally misrepresent their product because consumers think that the higher °K number the brighter the light which is not the case. A 100W 4300°K has about 40% more visible light than the same wattage 6000°K. So in a perfect world with all honest people consumers would better understand and would be able to make better choices. I like 5300°K because to me and my eyes it seems to be right of the verge at turning blue. If they made 5000°K I would probably get those but the closest I found were these.
 
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I just ordered the light which I posted specs for previously. I will do some comparitive test when it is delivered. Since I have a light meter I'll also do a brightness test at 1 metre. The only thing that I hope is that the power cord is long enough that I don't have to splice it. Lenght is not specified.

 
#326 ·
I just ordered the light which I posted specs for previously. I will do some comparitive test when it is delivered. Since I have a light meter I'll also do a brightness test at 1 metre. The only thing that I hope is that the power cord is long enough that I don't have to splice it. Lenght is not specified.



I have two of these same lights as side floods on my truck. Do yourself a favor and disassemble first and apply rtv sealant. They will fill up with water. Not on par with the Rigid Ind. products, but can't complain for a tenth of the price.
Also, the cords are about a foot long if I recall correctly.
I'd rather find some with the 5w or 10w chips instead of the 3w like those above.
I am looking to mount something similar, but round (for OEM style aesthetics only) to my new to me HS1132TAS. I was going to try to fit a small 10w into the OEM halogen housing, but this may not work out for me.
Glad I found this thread, I was ready to just hook up two wires to two wires and give it a go. I am not very knowledgeable when it comes to electronicals... :p
 
#292 ·
If you own photoshop and a camera that can shoot in RAW format you can approximate the color temp without a color meter.

I just purchased a 2 pack of those headband/headlight LEDs from Costco for $10 because I want to look even more ridiculous when I'm out in the middle of the night with my snowthrower :)

I actually purchased them to help out with some minor plumbing projects, but they are surprisingly good. I may just give them a try in the outdoors!
 
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I found the following information about the current MTD 357cc, would this change any of the instructions that you have for installing an LED light system? Do the installed diodes eliminate the need for the additional bridge or do all stators include diodes to run DC halogen bulbs, but still need an additional rectifier to smooth it out further for LEDs? There are 2 leads from the stator, why do they test one wire for AC and the other for DC? Is half the system DC? thanks in advance...

The charging system used on MTD engines consists of three
components, the rotor, stator and the rectifier….

Rectifier: A set of four diodes that convert the AC
current into DC current. The rectifier is built into the
stator and it is not serviceable.

Set the multimeter to read AC voltage. Back probe the red wire of the charger harness. The multimeter should read 17 - 26Vdc

Back probe the red wire of the charger harness. Back probe the yellow wire in the charger harness with the red (+) lead of the multimeter. The multimeter should read a voltage of 13 - 18Vac
pg 78 -

http://www.mymowerparts.com/pdf/MTD...epair-Manuals/MTD-Big-Bore-Engines-78-277cc-83-357cc-90-420cc-Repair-Manual.pdf
 
#304 ·
I found the following information about the current MTD 357cc, would this change any of the instructions that you have for installing an LED light system? Do the installed diodes eliminate the need for the additional bridge or do all stators include diodes to run DC halogen bulbs, but still need an additional rectifier to smooth it out further for LEDs? There are 2 leads from the stator, why do they test one wire for AC and the other for DC? Is half the system DC? thanks in advance...



pg 78 -

http://www.mymowerparts.com/pdf/MTD...epair-Manuals/MTD-Big-Bore-Engines-78-277cc-83-357cc-90-420cc-Repair-Manual.pdf
Coby seems to have answered some of your questions already.
There is no rectification for a halogen bulb needed because incandescent bulbs don't need rectification.
The craftsman that you linked to may or may not use a rectifier for the LED bulbs. It was found by a forum member that on a new snapper snowblower there was no rectification on the stock LED light and it flickered badly because of this.
 
#296 ·
The bridge rectifier he's talking about converts a sinusoidal wave to DC but without a large capacitor you will have AC riding on the DC above the battery Voltage. Let me see If I can find drawings, if not I'll draw it myself.