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Upgrading your snowblower lights to LED lights (Please see 1st post edit/mouseover this link)

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[Edit: LED technology has improved exponentially since this thread was started. Be aware that earlier posts may be somewhat outdated, and that you will likely find the most useful information in later updates. Y.R.]

In this thread, we'll talk about the do's and don'ts of LED headlight upgrades for your snowblower, and post videos and pictures of our successes.
There are many models of snowblowers that have a headlight circuit, In most cases, you can find a single wire that registers at anywhere from 12v to 20v AC (with no load) that is located somewhere on the engine, many times under the gas tank. Halogen lights are the typical light that comes with many of our snowblowers. Many of us want much more light than what the halogen bulb can give us, as well as better reliability than a halogen bulb. The search for something brighter and more reliable ends with the LED light. LED's (Light Emitting Diodes) are extremely efficient, very bright, and have thousands of hours of reliable use.
Since the lighting circuit is typically AC current at somewhere between 40-60hertz, if you just attach an LED light to the circuit you'll get pulsing light (think on and off 40-60 times a second) This is caused by the nature of an LED, because an LED is polarity sensitive, and has no warm-up or cool down time when compared to a halogen bulb filament, the LED will flicker noticeably. The flickering of an LED on AC current is mildly annoying to many people, but VERY annoying when you are attaching it to a moving object like a snowblower. An LED that is in motion when attached to AC current (for reasons I won't even begin to get into) flickers much more noticeably. To test this for yourself, take a strand of LED Christmas lights, plug them in, and then swing them in front of you at arm's length, you'll see a strobing or flickering effect.
You can see many LED headlight upgrade videos on youtube like this one, where you can definitely see the flickering or strobing of the LED's. You can see the effect the flicker has on the video camera, you get weird tracks that go from top to bottom of the video frame.
1. EXAMPLE OF IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
2. EXAMPLE OF YET AGAIN AN IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
This is what it looks like once you add a bridge rectifier, even though you’ll see a tiny bit of flicker in the video, in person there is none, you also can notice that there is no “tracking” effect like in the other videos.

The problem of light flicker is solved by using a full wave bridge rectifier.

A bridge rectifier takes AC current and changes it into DC current using 4 diodes.

By connecting the positive and negative from your LED light(s) to the DC output of your bridge rectifier, and then connecting your single headlight circuit wire to one of the AC inputs of the bridge rectifier (it doesn't matter which AC input) and then attaching a wire from the metal of your snowblower to the other AC input you will have light! For safety purposes, it is recommended that you place a fuse on the headlight circuit wire before the bridge rectifier which should be about 5 amps rated fast blow, and then a fuse on the positive wiring between your bridge rectifier and your LED light that should be about ~1amp fast blow fuses. These fuse ratings are assuming you are using a headlight circuit that is rated for ~1amp at about 18volts, some headlight circuits are rated for 2, 3, or more amps, so using an amperage calculator like this one can help with both your LED light selection and your fuse selection. Volts/Amps/Watts Converter
Here's a pic of how I installed my bridge rectifier, I mounted it right next to my keyed switch that is on my handlebar console. I also used heat sink paste to couple the bridge rectifier’s metal casing to the console’s metal. I know this is way overkill, but my bridge rectifier came with the paste, and it was an easy application of some paste. The bridge rectifier I used is rated at 50amps 100volts KBPC5010 Bridge Rectifier | Alltronics

UPDATE: Using two 2200mfd 50v capacitors may be needed to clean up the voltage ripple that comes off of the DC output on your bridge rectifier. Some LED lights are sensitive to this ripple and may fail prematurely. Simply adding these capacitors in parallel on the DC output side of the bridge rectifier is a good precaution. Wire in the Capacitor(s) between the LED light(s) and the bridge rectifier. So the positive and negative of the bridge rectifier will go to the positive and negative of the capacitor. Then the positive and negative of the capacitor then get wired to the LED(s) positive and negative.

When choosing your LED lighting you typically have spotlights or flood lights available. Spotlights have a more pinpoint dispersion with very little side spill of light. Flood lights illuminate a wider area, and with the short distances (from LED light to relevant distance in front of your snowblower) you’ll want as wide dispersion as possible, or else you’ll get a tiny area in front of you illuminated. I made sure to get floodlights that were rated for voltage below what my snowblower headlight circuit tests at and above, so being that my snowblower headlight circuit tests at 18volts I picked a set of LED floodlights that were rated for 9-32 volts. I wanted to make sure that I would never be putting the floodlights in danger with whatever voltage the headlight circuit was producing, even a small voltage peak is accounted for. The floodlights I chose are 9 watts each, which is as much as my headlight circuit is rated for.
For those that appreciate a short(ish) video with some basic points noted here is a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZwebMaiyBY
 
#297 ·
thanks, this unit uses an AC starter motor so there's no battery, but there are 2 separate leads, one is intended for heated grips and the other is for the halogen light. Not sure if this makes any difference...

Also, I do see that a new Craftsmen ships with an LED lamp, and uses the same motor but I can't find any parts manuals to see what they used.

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#299 · (Edited)
thanks, this unit uses an AC starter motor so there's no battery, but there are 2 separate leads, one is intended for heated grips and the other is for the halogen light. Not sure if this makes any difference...

Also, I do see that a new Craftsmen ships with an LED lamp, and uses the same motor but I can't find any parts manuals to see what they used.
You are correct and LED light doesn't need a battery but it does need DC. Heating elements on the other hand can be heated by AC or DC same as an incandescent bulb. If you slow the engine enough you will see LED flicker because of the AC riding on the DC unless regulated by light circuitry.
 
#298 · (Edited)
Okay couldn't find clear enough drawings so did these on Paint.

What comes out of the stator is AC voltage. This means it has positive and negative voltage alternating and passing through zero volts at each half cycle or twice through one periode.



Once it passes through the 4 diodes (bridge) it get's fully rectified and you get this wave now DC with AC component but not going negative anymore.



Now when you add the battery in the circuit you will get a DC component (drawn here in green) but will still have some AC riding on top of the battery and this is what charges your battery.



If you have any questions just ask.

 
#310 ·
Do all stators have a rectifier builtin? below is from the manual



I'm still wondering why they are metering in volts for one of the leads from the stator and in DC for the other?

thanks again.
One wire is measuring as AC the other is measuring as DC. The AC circuit is for your headlight, the DC circuit is typically for charging a battery. The DC circuit has rectification built in to the unit.
 
#311 ·
You are correct they run the headlight with the AC side and since this snowthrower doesn't have a battery, they use the DC circuit for the heated grips. Do grips normally need a DC circuit?

I was going to try and change the on/off rocker to a 3 way and see if I can run an LED directly on this line without the additional bridge rectifier.... what do you think? The new switch would just toggle between the heated grips/off/LED light.
 
#312 · (Edited)
Heated grips would not need DC and they may do this to reduce the amount of AC on the line. You already know Capacitors will filter A/C but what you may not know is that inductance will also filter A/C and at these currents maybe more efficiently. Heating coils have a certain resistance and for a reason, resistance causes heat, but it can't do this without inductance and inductance filters A/C. What I'm saying is they probably do this on purpose to remove flicker on the DC output. It's a theory nothing more on my side.

Here is what the output expected voltage would look like if they would use the heated handles to filter the voltage



Better DC and less A/C riding on DC
 
#313 · (Edited)
So I guess to answer your question the answer is no don't put in a switch, let the heated handgrips filter the voltage so you have less flicker at your LED lights. LEDs probably draw 1/10 of the current of what the heated handlebars do so don't worry about burning fuses or over draining the stator.
 
#319 ·
So I guess to answer your question the answer is no don't put in a switch, let the heated handgrips filter the voltage so you have less flicker at your LED lights. LEDs probably draw 1/10 of the current of what the heated handlebars do so don't worry about burning fuses or over draining the stator.
The heated handlebar grips that I am familiar with run at about 3 amps. To light up things pretty well you're probably wanting at least about 18-21 watts of LED lighting, which puts the lighting at drawing about 1 amp. What is the stator rated at for amperage?
 
#318 ·
If it helps this is what the wave would look like if you added a huge capacitor. Basically the same as turning on handlebar heaters but reversed.



So maybe you can answer this Coby. With these units that have an AC and a DC circuit can you have different loads on either of the circuits as long as you are staying under the amperage of the stator? I have never had a unit that had both an AC and a DC circuit, so I don't know exactly the type of animal they and the flexibility or lack there of with wiring loads to it.
 
#323 ·
the installation manual for the heated grips says:

Compatible snow throwers will have engines with a dual 3A/5A or 20W/20W split
alternator output lead coming from under the engine’s blower housing.
Even though the model number might not indicate it because it has a recoil starter this seems to match up to the dual circuit with one side rectified? Possibly the line with the diodes would be reduced to 3A?
 
#328 ·
Oh I WILL have questions, lol! Thanks for the generosity with the knowledge.

And I definitely didn't mean to completely turn anyone off to those lights, was just a heads up beforegetting wet. For only about $20/ light (paid $39.99 on amazon for a pair) it's hard to go wrong. Everyone should have rtv around, and took me about 20min to disassemble and seal while watching a football game! A lot of these cheap low QC products from overseas can easily be made decent if care is taken by the end user to make sure assembly was done properly before using.
 
#331 ·
Haha, hey you can't blame China, it was probably an American company who sent production there, then they just started selling them out the side door without a brand name... I've never seen these marketed for boats though, typically the marine application ones are white for whatever reason...
 
#334 ·
Did you know that if you're a foreign country to China and decide you want to contract out to Chine for manufacturing of goods that you drop all hold on any Patent. China does not recognize any patent registration. I buy my stepper motors from the chinese company that lost the tender to GM. Yet they made the better motor. GM went for the cheaper tender and frankly they lost millions on that one, because they had to warranty the clusters until january first 2013. I know I'm of topic slightly but all this to say that maybe the same quality is not there but if I only need to squirt a bit of RTV in a $30 light as oppose to buying the same light from the US seller at $249 that's manufactured in the same plant with the same possible leakage, well I'll take my chances. First thing I'm going to do is submerge it in water, if it doesn't leak then I'll through it in a bag of rice over night and set it up the next day. If it leaks I'll take it apart a silicon the darn thing until it meets my specs.
 
#332 ·
Have some parts ready to wire-up but have a couple specific questions.

#1. 2X 10w Cree lights (.75 amps 9-24 volts)
#2. 1 amp fuse
#3. 2X axial capacitors mine are (2200 uf 35WVDC maximum)
#4. Recifier (25 amps 50 volts) radio shack part 276-1185
#5. Five amp fast blow fuse
#6. Stator and of course ground.

Question#1: Does the 1 amp fuse go between the lights and the capacitors or or should it be Lights/capacitors them 1 amp fuse?

Question #2. Locally I couldn't find the same rated capacitors and rectifiers that many are using here. Any problems with the ones I have acquired?

Thank you!
 
#333 · (Edited)
The caps are fine, the full wave bridge rectifier is good. As far as the fuse I've always put them in line of the positive side of the incoming power. So that would be before your power supply and lights.

Microfahrad value of cap is very flexible, as long as they are 35V rated or higher you're good to go. The voltage rating is the highest voltage they are rated at for continuous operation. So a 50V, 100V and so on would work fine as well because you're well under the max rated voltage. You can run into problems in some application if they are for instance 700V rated caps with only 10V running on them but I doubt anyone will be putting something like that into this application

In an audio amplifier, I usually try to use a cap who's max rated voltage is 50% higher then the actual working voltage of the circuit. Some instances it ends up being closer to the max rating such as a high voltage power supply but that's usually my goal.
 
#336 ·
Thank you KpaxFAQ and Coby7!

Coby7,Im still wrapping my head around the fuse issue. My apologies and thank you for the guidance. please let me know if this plan isn't sufficient.

In order:

#1. two lights
#2. two (2) amp fuses. One on each light power wire.
#3. Two axial capacitors wired together.
#4. One bridge rectifier
#5. One 5 amp fuse
#6. Stator and ground.

Thanks again!
 
#337 · (Edited)
Mounting on Honda 728

In an effort to give back a bit. My light mounting may appeal to others with Honda snowblowers. In an effort to be efficient and reduce excess modifications I came up with this.

Steps:
1.Remove the 6M side screw and replace with a 2+ inch threaded version.
2. Purchase 1inch rubber stopper from Lowes or Home Depo.
3.Drill 7/32 hole through stopper.
4.Mount light bracket,washer and stopper on 2+ inch threaded 6M bolt (SS of course).
5.Screw in these pieces where original short 6M screw came out.

Wiring of course is another story....
 

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