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Upgrading your snowblower lights to LED lights (Please see 1st post edit/mouseover this link)

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#1 ·
[Edit: LED technology has improved exponentially since this thread was started. Be aware that earlier posts may be somewhat outdated, and that you will likely find the most useful information in later updates. Y.R.]

In this thread, we'll talk about the do's and don'ts of LED headlight upgrades for your snowblower, and post videos and pictures of our successes.
There are many models of snowblowers that have a headlight circuit, In most cases, you can find a single wire that registers at anywhere from 12v to 20v AC (with no load) that is located somewhere on the engine, many times under the gas tank. Halogen lights are the typical light that comes with many of our snowblowers. Many of us want much more light than what the halogen bulb can give us, as well as better reliability than a halogen bulb. The search for something brighter and more reliable ends with the LED light. LED's (Light Emitting Diodes) are extremely efficient, very bright, and have thousands of hours of reliable use.
Since the lighting circuit is typically AC current at somewhere between 40-60hertz, if you just attach an LED light to the circuit you'll get pulsing light (think on and off 40-60 times a second) This is caused by the nature of an LED, because an LED is polarity sensitive, and has no warm-up or cool down time when compared to a halogen bulb filament, the LED will flicker noticeably. The flickering of an LED on AC current is mildly annoying to many people, but VERY annoying when you are attaching it to a moving object like a snowblower. An LED that is in motion when attached to AC current (for reasons I won't even begin to get into) flickers much more noticeably. To test this for yourself, take a strand of LED Christmas lights, plug them in, and then swing them in front of you at arm's length, you'll see a strobing or flickering effect.
You can see many LED headlight upgrade videos on youtube like this one, where you can definitely see the flickering or strobing of the LED's. You can see the effect the flicker has on the video camera, you get weird tracks that go from top to bottom of the video frame.
1. EXAMPLE OF IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
2. EXAMPLE OF YET AGAIN AN IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
This is what it looks like once you add a bridge rectifier, even though you’ll see a tiny bit of flicker in the video, in person there is none, you also can notice that there is no “tracking” effect like in the other videos.

The problem of light flicker is solved by using a full wave bridge rectifier.

A bridge rectifier takes AC current and changes it into DC current using 4 diodes.

By connecting the positive and negative from your LED light(s) to the DC output of your bridge rectifier, and then connecting your single headlight circuit wire to one of the AC inputs of the bridge rectifier (it doesn't matter which AC input) and then attaching a wire from the metal of your snowblower to the other AC input you will have light! For safety purposes, it is recommended that you place a fuse on the headlight circuit wire before the bridge rectifier which should be about 5 amps rated fast blow, and then a fuse on the positive wiring between your bridge rectifier and your LED light that should be about ~1amp fast blow fuses. These fuse ratings are assuming you are using a headlight circuit that is rated for ~1amp at about 18volts, some headlight circuits are rated for 2, 3, or more amps, so using an amperage calculator like this one can help with both your LED light selection and your fuse selection. Volts/Amps/Watts Converter
Here's a pic of how I installed my bridge rectifier, I mounted it right next to my keyed switch that is on my handlebar console. I also used heat sink paste to couple the bridge rectifier’s metal casing to the console’s metal. I know this is way overkill, but my bridge rectifier came with the paste, and it was an easy application of some paste. The bridge rectifier I used is rated at 50amps 100volts KBPC5010 Bridge Rectifier | Alltronics

UPDATE: Using two 2200mfd 50v capacitors may be needed to clean up the voltage ripple that comes off of the DC output on your bridge rectifier. Some LED lights are sensitive to this ripple and may fail prematurely. Simply adding these capacitors in parallel on the DC output side of the bridge rectifier is a good precaution. Wire in the Capacitor(s) between the LED light(s) and the bridge rectifier. So the positive and negative of the bridge rectifier will go to the positive and negative of the capacitor. Then the positive and negative of the capacitor then get wired to the LED(s) positive and negative.

When choosing your LED lighting you typically have spotlights or flood lights available. Spotlights have a more pinpoint dispersion with very little side spill of light. Flood lights illuminate a wider area, and with the short distances (from LED light to relevant distance in front of your snowblower) you’ll want as wide dispersion as possible, or else you’ll get a tiny area in front of you illuminated. I made sure to get floodlights that were rated for voltage below what my snowblower headlight circuit tests at and above, so being that my snowblower headlight circuit tests at 18volts I picked a set of LED floodlights that were rated for 9-32 volts. I wanted to make sure that I would never be putting the floodlights in danger with whatever voltage the headlight circuit was producing, even a small voltage peak is accounted for. The floodlights I chose are 9 watts each, which is as much as my headlight circuit is rated for.
For those that appreciate a short(ish) video with some basic points noted here is a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZwebMaiyBY
 
#340 ·
Thanks Coby7! Yeah I believe my confusion has developed due to trying to pattern a system from the guys that are using 4 lights and or heated grips. Considering I will only have two lights and no grips, the one 2 amp fuse will surely be easier to wire.
Thank you again!!!

Shredsled, thanks. vibration is of course why I have used the rubber stoppers. Unfortunately I don't have the lights wired so I have not been able to test it.
 
#341 ·
AK, nice job. The only thing that I might suggest, would be washers in-between the nut to stopper interface. This would prevent the nuts from eating their way into the washer, and spread the load throughout the entire face of the stopper.
 
#343 ·
Hey, that's what we are here for!

Light on, and keep the knowledge flowing!
 
#345 ·
I think I have decided on Tuff led lights.... my question is to get the 30degree spot or the 60degree flood lights. Will the 30 degree spot give me enough side light to light the area around the snow blower?
Or should I do the flood version?

Round LED Work Light - 4 Inch 27 Watt - Spot : Tuff Led Lights

thanks
Have you verified gower many amps your stator can put out? usually I recommend flood lights but with that style of light you should get plenty of side spill. those lights that you linked to are high wattage and you better make sure that your state or can handle that wattage.
 
#349 ·
Superedge, wouldn't it be easier to talk in Lumens capacity since it it a calculation of much light is outputted?
My 27 watt Led light outputs 2160 lumens and by gosh it really lights the front and sides, I would say easily for 80 ft plus in front.
 
#352 ·
Lumens are measured at the focal point at 1 meter and the whole lumen output is so subjective. I've adopted one simple rule that seems to average different manufacturer interpretations of lumen. A 1 watt LED will put out ±10 Watt equivalent incandescent @ 1 meter so a 10 watt will put out ±100 watt equivalent. This as been my rule and not a written rule.
 
#355 · (Edited)
Wiring Box Detail

Again, thank you to all that have guided me along the way. Now that my lights have been mounted I have started into the wiring.

I would appreciate if any with experience gave my layout a look over..

For mounting the capacitors: I don't know if it is needed but I glued the capacitors to a hard piece of rubber and then used electrical sealant over the length of the leads to reduce the possibility of a short.

Thank you!
 

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#360 ·
ive been using these,

http://www.wayjun.com/Datasheet/Led/LED-Driver-LD003-3X3W.pdf

They are very small. They have a built in rectifier and they are constant current. They sell them in different configurations. Usually I just go to ebay and buy a bunch of 3w Leds.

The one displayed above you would use 3 pieces of 3 watt bulbs and wire them in series to the board. input voltage can be anywhere from 12 to 24v ac or dc so you can just wire it right up to the snow blower.
 
#365 ·
ShredSled, you speaking of this post?

"O-K, the light kit that is sold as an 'Accessory' for the Honda Snowblowers comes with a standard 12 V sealed beam, like the old car headlights of yesteryear. But it IS Halogen as Honda says, a $10.00 dollar GE Par36 50 Watt bulb that puts out 300 Lumens. It is in fact manufactured for this and many other applications by a company named (PM) Peterson Manufacturing, (Vehicle Safety Light| LED Lights - Peterson Manufacturing Company) They list the light in its rubber weather and vibration resistant mount as a Model 507, and if you go to FoxTail Lights.com they sell it for about 30 bucks, without the special HONDA snowblower bracket you need to mount it to the Honda snowblower, for the kit that Honda sells that includes this expect to pay $ 60.00 buckaroos. Now IF, like me, You want to install a light more modern, capable and bright here's what you do. You again go to FoxTailLights.com, and buy the PM model 907 light with 10 LED Diodes to light your way and an estimated 100,000 hour durability and an output of 1000 Lumens . . . that light with the same rubber mount sells for $ 72.00 plus shipping and anything else they can add.
The light kit, like the Commercial Skid Shoes is supplied with the electroplated zinc, Guaranteed to RUST in record time, bolts, nuts & washers. If you don't like rust on your new snowblower go to Chrome Bolts, Stainless Steel Bolts, Metric Bolts, Socket Head Cap Screws, Grade 8 Bolts, F911 Bolts and replace the HONDA QuickRust hardware with some Stainless Steel.

Incidentally the Peterson Manufacturing (PM) Technical rep said that the OEM accesory light they supply Honda, the 50watt 12V sealed bean requires 2.54 amps, the new LED unit needs just .51 amps to operate, so the extra power to run the switch is not going to be a problem. Just make sure the unit gets as good a ground contact as you can or it might not work.

PM makes a stick-on reflective in either amber or red they call them "Spitfires", IMHO they are the brightest reflectors I've ever seen should anyone need such a thing."
 
#367 ·
Drawing only. 51 amps makes it equivalent to basically one of the 9 watt Cree led floodlights that most people are using at least two of. So I wouldn't recommend using one of those, though if you aren't expecting much light you may be OK with it.
 
#368 ·
Hey Superedge88..

Got the lights my two Cree lights wired up yesterday...fired the machine up...and had lights...for about 20 seconds. Blew the 2 amp fuse.

I was concerned that I somehow fried the lights but a check with a new fuse proved otherwise thankfully.

my plan is to try a 3amp fuse when I can get some.

what do you think, does this indicate I have a problem?