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Upgrading your snowblower lights to LED lights (Please see 1st post edit/mouseover this link)

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[Edit: LED technology has improved exponentially since this thread was started. Be aware that earlier posts may be somewhat outdated, and that you will likely find the most useful information in later updates. Y.R.]

In this thread, we'll talk about the do's and don'ts of LED headlight upgrades for your snowblower, and post videos and pictures of our successes.
There are many models of snowblowers that have a headlight circuit, In most cases, you can find a single wire that registers at anywhere from 12v to 20v AC (with no load) that is located somewhere on the engine, many times under the gas tank. Halogen lights are the typical light that comes with many of our snowblowers. Many of us want much more light than what the halogen bulb can give us, as well as better reliability than a halogen bulb. The search for something brighter and more reliable ends with the LED light. LED's (Light Emitting Diodes) are extremely efficient, very bright, and have thousands of hours of reliable use.
Since the lighting circuit is typically AC current at somewhere between 40-60hertz, if you just attach an LED light to the circuit you'll get pulsing light (think on and off 40-60 times a second) This is caused by the nature of an LED, because an LED is polarity sensitive, and has no warm-up or cool down time when compared to a halogen bulb filament, the LED will flicker noticeably. The flickering of an LED on AC current is mildly annoying to many people, but VERY annoying when you are attaching it to a moving object like a snowblower. An LED that is in motion when attached to AC current (for reasons I won't even begin to get into) flickers much more noticeably. To test this for yourself, take a strand of LED Christmas lights, plug them in, and then swing them in front of you at arm's length, you'll see a strobing or flickering effect.
You can see many LED headlight upgrade videos on youtube like this one, where you can definitely see the flickering or strobing of the LED's. You can see the effect the flicker has on the video camera, you get weird tracks that go from top to bottom of the video frame.
1. EXAMPLE OF IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
2. EXAMPLE OF YET AGAIN AN IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
This is what it looks like once you add a bridge rectifier, even though you’ll see a tiny bit of flicker in the video, in person there is none, you also can notice that there is no “tracking” effect like in the other videos.

The problem of light flicker is solved by using a full wave bridge rectifier.

A bridge rectifier takes AC current and changes it into DC current using 4 diodes.

By connecting the positive and negative from your LED light(s) to the DC output of your bridge rectifier, and then connecting your single headlight circuit wire to one of the AC inputs of the bridge rectifier (it doesn't matter which AC input) and then attaching a wire from the metal of your snowblower to the other AC input you will have light! For safety purposes, it is recommended that you place a fuse on the headlight circuit wire before the bridge rectifier which should be about 5 amps rated fast blow, and then a fuse on the positive wiring between your bridge rectifier and your LED light that should be about ~1amp fast blow fuses. These fuse ratings are assuming you are using a headlight circuit that is rated for ~1amp at about 18volts, some headlight circuits are rated for 2, 3, or more amps, so using an amperage calculator like this one can help with both your LED light selection and your fuse selection. Volts/Amps/Watts Converter
Here's a pic of how I installed my bridge rectifier, I mounted it right next to my keyed switch that is on my handlebar console. I also used heat sink paste to couple the bridge rectifier’s metal casing to the console’s metal. I know this is way overkill, but my bridge rectifier came with the paste, and it was an easy application of some paste. The bridge rectifier I used is rated at 50amps 100volts KBPC5010 Bridge Rectifier | Alltronics

UPDATE: Using two 2200mfd 50v capacitors may be needed to clean up the voltage ripple that comes off of the DC output on your bridge rectifier. Some LED lights are sensitive to this ripple and may fail prematurely. Simply adding these capacitors in parallel on the DC output side of the bridge rectifier is a good precaution. Wire in the Capacitor(s) between the LED light(s) and the bridge rectifier. So the positive and negative of the bridge rectifier will go to the positive and negative of the capacitor. Then the positive and negative of the capacitor then get wired to the LED(s) positive and negative.

When choosing your LED lighting you typically have spotlights or flood lights available. Spotlights have a more pinpoint dispersion with very little side spill of light. Flood lights illuminate a wider area, and with the short distances (from LED light to relevant distance in front of your snowblower) you’ll want as wide dispersion as possible, or else you’ll get a tiny area in front of you illuminated. I made sure to get floodlights that were rated for voltage below what my snowblower headlight circuit tests at and above, so being that my snowblower headlight circuit tests at 18volts I picked a set of LED floodlights that were rated for 9-32 volts. I wanted to make sure that I would never be putting the floodlights in danger with whatever voltage the headlight circuit was producing, even a small voltage peak is accounted for. The floodlights I chose are 9 watts each, which is as much as my headlight circuit is rated for.
For those that appreciate a short(ish) video with some basic points noted here is a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZwebMaiyBY
 
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I'm trying to avoid the battery route, even though I have a couple of candidates in the shop. I think snowblower vibration would be torture on a battery. An this will be simpler in the long run. But not simpler, now.
 
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Although capacitors aren’t absolutely nessesary, they are highly recommended. Jonnied12 posted occiliscope readings a while back that showed how well they clean up the DC current. 1 2200uf capacitor good. 2 2200uf capacitors better.

It’s worth the little extra effort. Zero noticeable flicker, even at idle.
 
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Grrrrr.....Was just notified by Amazon that the capacitors might not get here until March 8th! Maybe sooner if I get lucky.
That's a bummer. Everything else will be here this coming week.

My momma told me there'd be days like these! lolol
 
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should be a easy install, I didn't use the caps on mine, Can see a slight flicker when looking at it but not noticeable when behind the blower, Some lights I guess are effected more than others and some engines put out better power too. Girlfriends blower has the same light as mine and hers does not flicker at all so caps may or may not be needed. The light I installed
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So if I put (2) 2200uf caps in series, it would be equivalent to 1100uf?

And for those putting (2) 2200uf caps jn parallel, it would be equivalent to 4400uf?
 
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I blew my new LED the other day.
It was this model from Amazon:
iBrightstar Newest 9-30V Super Bright Low Power 1156 1141 1003 BA15S LED Bulbs with Projector

Not sure if that will show you the actual light, but it is an 1156 LED replacement. Only thing I can think of is I did idle it down a few times that day. It is so loud that I guess I do that to give myself a break. My ears are really sensitive even though I was wearing earplugs.

Any thoughts? Is my 1000uf filter cap enough? Should I put (2) 2200uf caps in? Did voltage go too low at idle? Or too high while running at full throttle? I thought these things were supposed to give constant current?

Switching to the LED light did allow the chute deflector cylinder and relay switching to work perfectly.
 
#1,150 · (Edited)
what's the readers digest version of the best answer?

i'm retired but don't want to spend 3 days reading thru 115 pages.......
The wire from the engine (AC circuit, usually the original wire to existing headlight) to one of the AC post on the bridge rectifier.
A wire from the other AC post on the bridge rectifier to engine ground.
A wire from DC+ on the bridge rectifier to the positive wire on the light.
A wire from the DC- on the bridge rectifier to the other wire on the light.
DO NOT GROUND THE DC SIDE OF THE BRIDGE RECTIFIER.
Don't forget your capacitor(s) between the bridge rectifier and light.


Hope this helps.
 

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Well, I'm the new kid on the block around here, but I'm going to try the AC/DC LED light method (PAR36). I wanted the simplest installation method. My parts should be here tomorrow. I'll report back with the install once I get it done.

Granted, the DC rectifier and cap method will probably produce the cleanest DC voltage, but you have to find a spot to securely mount the rectifier and cap(s). There's also this option:
https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/power-supplies/12v-ac-to-dc-converter-module/1725/

Anyone have any luck with that?
 
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I'm with you. the simpler the better. check out the thread "bargain 1128" by the Fixer. He put 2 ac/dc led lights on his 1128 and they are bright as ****. no mods needed. I just bought the 2 set on amazon. easy installation.less than 5 minutes .

no flickering, no burn out.
 
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Hi. This is a good way to go. I used the AC/DC converter for my Led lights on my snow blower. I didn't have to worry about hooking up capacitors because they are built into the converter. No flickering at all.
Hello there Mate from Virginia. It was thanks to you that I found that little converter. I saw your youtube video on the install, very impressive. I probably won't end up using it, but thanks anyway. I sure hope people can spot you easier now, I'm not sure what else you could do besides put a light bar over your head. :laugh:
 
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If you're going with a PAR 36 LED and you want a simple installation with no bridge rectifier required go with this 12v - 24v AC/DC PAR 36 Bulb. Outstanding light output and it's rated for both AC and DC voltage. Best $18.00 I ever spent.

 
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If you're going with a PAR 36 LED and you want a simple installation with no bridge rectifier required go with this 12v - 24v AC/DC PAR 36 Bulb. Outstanding light output and it's rated for both AC and DC voltage. Best $18.00 I ever spent.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B017IFJ93I/ref=psdc_2314207011_t1_B01G8EJAAM
That's exactly what I bought! Thanks! Hopefully everything will be here today. I probably won't actually get to use the blower again for this season, but at least I'll be ready for next winter.
 
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JerryR, Thank you for that idea I will do that. Haven't given the battery idea any real steam. I would have to figure out where to mount the battery. And what size battery. I wanted to use two 4led lights. One replacing the stock one and on the left side mount another using the stock mount from Toro. The wiring is not that a big of a problem. It was suggested to me by a friend to just mount an led flashlight to the handle bars.

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So here's my plan. I found out that the blower puts out 18 watts. So I'm ordering two 4.8 watt led lights and a ac/dc rectifier from Super Bright Leds. Another stock Toro headlight brkt. All in all it should be a pretty clean install. Might even put a switch in to turn them off when not needed.

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#1,173 ·
So here's my plan. I found out that the blower puts out 18 watts. So I'm ordering two 4.8 watt led lights and a ac/dc rectifier from Super Bright Leds.
If you check around on Ebay, Amazon, ... they have LED floods that work on AC. Likely have the converter circuitry built into the LED.

The link isn't anything I recommend or have tried it's just to give you an idea of the AC/DC feature not needing a converter.

https://www.amazon.com/GLW-Waterproof-Daylight-Security-Equivalent/dp/B008XZAPV8/ref=asc_df_B008XZAPV8/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=193177650676&hvpos=1o4&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13408547917520864412&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019031&hvtargid=pla-308974555885&psc=1
 
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Hi,

I haven't read all 117 pages, not even close, but I have a few questions.

I have an early 90's Stiga 523 with a 5hp tecumseh engine. It has a light kit installed already, and the alternator is on the outside with a part number of 1A183-69. The stick between the flywheel and the alternator is broken, so I can't test it out at all yet, all I know is that I can get 9v out of it with my drill so I'll assume its working.

What is the power rating of one of those things? I see a lot of people say they are generally rated for 1a but then people keep saying that the original bulbs tend to be 20w and they convert them into 40-60w led's?

I'd like to think I'm well versed in electrical stuff but this I don't really understand, especially as I can't find too much on the internet with that part number.

Also, if anyone of you knows where I could find a new stick to replace the broken one, it'd be greatly appreciated, the only problem being that I live in Finland, so it's a bit of a pain to come and buy one from the states :p but if anyone has any tips on that or on how I can get the broken part off of the flywheel, it'd be greatly appreciated as the first snow has already landed in the northern parts of the country.


Edit:
The blower has no battery, and no starter kit installed, just the lights.
 
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:welcome: to SBF ChinaSwede

If it's part #14 in the diagram I keep coming up with it being no longer available. You might need to try a repair shop to see if they get a bad engine with that part they'd sell you. There is an alternate part number, #2210269
Any chance it can be welded or brazed ?? If it's plastic maybe a body shop can use a plastic welder to repair it ?? I'd be a little concerned on why it snapped. Might just be old age but it could also be that the bearings in the generator are starting to get a little stiff. Something to check out.

Light's will have a wattage rating but there is a difference on what it's drawing in current and it's equivalent to an incandescent or fluorescent. I can't say for sure but you might be getting confused on someone saying they went to an LED with more light output (watts) but at the same watt draw.
In most cases the stock headlight is using all the available current. There are exceptions like machines that can come with hand warmers or 12 volt starters. They have more capacity. But in general, in your case with a 20 watt headlight you'd want to stick with 1 led drawing the 20 watts or multiple headlights not exceeding that total of 20 watts.

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Thanks Kiss4afrog!

I didn't think that it could be the same bs marketing you see on led bulbs but guess you are right. The engine sticker does say there is an electric starter option, but I don't know if it would use the same alternator. I bought an 18w led to begin with just to be sure. It just gets crazy dark out here in the winter, basically the same as mid alaska.

It is the part 14 on the diagram, and its kinda hard to say what broke it. Its metal and pretty springy. I have tried to go to a couple small engine shops today, and even the ones with old tecumseh badges on their walls said that they can't do anything since tecumseh is long gone. I trust them on that, as they can fix early 50's agria tractors easily without spares. I don't really know where to look for another tecumseh engine to get it from, as people tend to get rid of the snow manually out here.

I even contacted stiga themselves and I will try a scrapyard and a stiga dealership (which also does miracles on old husqvarna gear so I'm slightly hopefuö) and if they can't help me, I know a guy with a car instrument cluster repair shop and I'll ask if one of his shafts will fit into my holes. The one I time my 1990 volvo is way too new..

And when all this fails, I'll just try sticking a nail into it. Unless someone can tell me if there is a reason it needs to be springy like the oem part was?


P.s. the alternator turned fine with a drill, but I will definetely change out the grease in it. I'm not a monster that expects it to work on 25 year old grease, especially when nobody has really used the thing since the turn of the century.
 
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I am converting to Leds on my Toro. Apparently my machine produces 18 watts AC. So I am getting a rectifier to change from AC to DC and leds from Super Bright Leds. Putting the rectifier in line from alternator and wiring in two, one on each handle drawing 4.8 watts each. So I'm under the total output of the alternator.

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Hi guys. Could someone help me with a wiring diagram? I am adding 2 led lights and switch to my new Ariens Platinum 30 SHO. I decided to use a 12V AC to DC converter module from super bright leds.com. How is the converter module wired to the stator? Doesn’t the stator have just 1 wire? The converter module has 2 ac input wires.....also how is the relay for the switch wired to the converter module? Sorry for all the questions as this is my first time trying this.


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Do you know how much current your LEDs draw and is the AC/DC converter rated for this current?
The only reason i can see for a relay is if your switch is not rated for your total load current, so if you get a switch that can handle the total load current you don't need a relay.
The Ariens I'm familiar with have 2 wires coming out of the stator, if your machine has only 1 wire, than the other wire is connected internally to the engine.
with 2 wires you would wire one wire(yellow or Red) to the switch, out of the switch to either AC input wire of your AC/DC converter. The other wire(Black) from the stator to the remaining AC input wire of the converter.
If only 1 wire - follow the first wire/switch hookup as above, and tie the converter 2nd input wire to the engine body. the 2 DC wires(verify which is which as far as polarity) out of the converter go to your LEDs. Hook up your LEDs in parallel (Red to Red, Black to Black) and OBSERVE POLARITY
I tried to attach a simple drawing but don't know if it worked.
HTH
JerryR
 
#1,177 ·
My dealer out here in CT actually sells replacement bulbs for Ariens snowblowers now. Wish he wasn't out in the boonies from where I'm at otherwise I'd be snagging one.
 
#1,186 ·
You learn things when you read vs someone just telling you how to do it or giving you the diagarm
there is also more then one way to wire it up
if you read the thread you will see that and might prefer one of the ways better then the other

rather then trusting someone on the internet you dont know
knowing how to do something is alot better then following what others do
you are most welcome