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Upgrading your snowblower lights to LED lights (Please see 1st post edit/mouseover this link)

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[Edit: LED technology has improved exponentially since this thread was started. Be aware that earlier posts may be somewhat outdated, and that you will likely find the most useful information in later updates. Y.R.]

In this thread, we'll talk about the do's and don'ts of LED headlight upgrades for your snowblower, and post videos and pictures of our successes.
There are many models of snowblowers that have a headlight circuit, In most cases, you can find a single wire that registers at anywhere from 12v to 20v AC (with no load) that is located somewhere on the engine, many times under the gas tank. Halogen lights are the typical light that comes with many of our snowblowers. Many of us want much more light than what the halogen bulb can give us, as well as better reliability than a halogen bulb. The search for something brighter and more reliable ends with the LED light. LED's (Light Emitting Diodes) are extremely efficient, very bright, and have thousands of hours of reliable use.
Since the lighting circuit is typically AC current at somewhere between 40-60hertz, if you just attach an LED light to the circuit you'll get pulsing light (think on and off 40-60 times a second) This is caused by the nature of an LED, because an LED is polarity sensitive, and has no warm-up or cool down time when compared to a halogen bulb filament, the LED will flicker noticeably. The flickering of an LED on AC current is mildly annoying to many people, but VERY annoying when you are attaching it to a moving object like a snowblower. An LED that is in motion when attached to AC current (for reasons I won't even begin to get into) flickers much more noticeably. To test this for yourself, take a strand of LED Christmas lights, plug them in, and then swing them in front of you at arm's length, you'll see a strobing or flickering effect.
You can see many LED headlight upgrade videos on youtube like this one, where you can definitely see the flickering or strobing of the LED's. You can see the effect the flicker has on the video camera, you get weird tracks that go from top to bottom of the video frame.
1. EXAMPLE OF IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
2. EXAMPLE OF YET AGAIN AN IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
This is what it looks like once you add a bridge rectifier, even though you’ll see a tiny bit of flicker in the video, in person there is none, you also can notice that there is no “tracking” effect like in the other videos.

The problem of light flicker is solved by using a full wave bridge rectifier.

A bridge rectifier takes AC current and changes it into DC current using 4 diodes.

By connecting the positive and negative from your LED light(s) to the DC output of your bridge rectifier, and then connecting your single headlight circuit wire to one of the AC inputs of the bridge rectifier (it doesn't matter which AC input) and then attaching a wire from the metal of your snowblower to the other AC input you will have light! For safety purposes, it is recommended that you place a fuse on the headlight circuit wire before the bridge rectifier which should be about 5 amps rated fast blow, and then a fuse on the positive wiring between your bridge rectifier and your LED light that should be about ~1amp fast blow fuses. These fuse ratings are assuming you are using a headlight circuit that is rated for ~1amp at about 18volts, some headlight circuits are rated for 2, 3, or more amps, so using an amperage calculator like this one can help with both your LED light selection and your fuse selection. Volts/Amps/Watts Converter
Here's a pic of how I installed my bridge rectifier, I mounted it right next to my keyed switch that is on my handlebar console. I also used heat sink paste to couple the bridge rectifier’s metal casing to the console’s metal. I know this is way overkill, but my bridge rectifier came with the paste, and it was an easy application of some paste. The bridge rectifier I used is rated at 50amps 100volts KBPC5010 Bridge Rectifier | Alltronics

UPDATE: Using two 2200mfd 50v capacitors may be needed to clean up the voltage ripple that comes off of the DC output on your bridge rectifier. Some LED lights are sensitive to this ripple and may fail prematurely. Simply adding these capacitors in parallel on the DC output side of the bridge rectifier is a good precaution. Wire in the Capacitor(s) between the LED light(s) and the bridge rectifier. So the positive and negative of the bridge rectifier will go to the positive and negative of the capacitor. Then the positive and negative of the capacitor then get wired to the LED(s) positive and negative.

When choosing your LED lighting you typically have spotlights or flood lights available. Spotlights have a more pinpoint dispersion with very little side spill of light. Flood lights illuminate a wider area, and with the short distances (from LED light to relevant distance in front of your snowblower) you’ll want as wide dispersion as possible, or else you’ll get a tiny area in front of you illuminated. I made sure to get floodlights that were rated for voltage below what my snowblower headlight circuit tests at and above, so being that my snowblower headlight circuit tests at 18volts I picked a set of LED floodlights that were rated for 9-32 volts. I wanted to make sure that I would never be putting the floodlights in danger with whatever voltage the headlight circuit was producing, even a small voltage peak is accounted for. The floodlights I chose are 9 watts each, which is as much as my headlight circuit is rated for.
For those that appreciate a short(ish) video with some basic points noted here is a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZwebMaiyBY
 
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#198 ·
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You can calculate the smoothing capacitor but you must know the frequency of the ac waveform.

C = I*t/ΔV ( capacitor = amperage x time of full rectified waveform / voltage drop)

does anyone know at what frequency the snow blower alternators are running?
At full engine speed it would be 3600 Hz.
 
#157 ·
I know where to buy high quality electronics parts in Canada. For you in the USA likely Radio Shack is your closest store.
I've been watching this thread from day one and have allowed a bunch of you to struggle with this causing you to learn by searching for answers. I tried simplifying things, but too much information got involved. I only come in on this thread to keep you safe.
I had originally added this PDF file to help those trying to do this. Briggs uses a simple diode you'll notice. A filter reduces the hum on the DC as displayed by the LED lamp. Beyond that, a switch, a choice of LED lamps. Remove the old current sucking original lamp. You can increase your Lumen easily 10 times using the original 6 amps the 1156 bulb draw. A good project.
Here's the Briggs info. to start.
http://www.briggsandstratton.com/eu...rt/faqs/~/media/files/faqs/briggsandstratton/pdfs/alternator_specifications.pdf
 
#159 ·
Hi, ask for some assistance here.

The two LEDs that i purchased from ebay burnt out after two minutes. Based on this wonderful thread, so i figured it could be "dirty voltage", so i bought a 2200 mfd 35V capacitor. After the wiring is done, test it using a voltmeter, from the rectifier, two terminals (input from the engine side) show 18V, which is good. But the other two terminals goes to the LED light show 95v, i was surprise it is that high. Since my replacement LEDs have not arrived yet, want to ask experts on this thread of their opinions before plugging in the LEDs, do not want them to burn out again.
 
#160 ·
Same issue I had, but I went through a few pairs of LED's before I was smart enough to try a smoothing capacitor...lol

I'm guessing it's that high as you don't have any load on the DC side yet. As long as you wired everything up correctly, it should be fine. I'm far from an expert though. Maybe somebody else will chime in and correct me.
 
#163 ·
I'm getting close to install time.

Switches - check
Inline fuses - check
12 ga wiring in red and black - check
Bridge Rectifier - check
10 watt LED Lights with blue and brown wires, same as Hawk and Super - kinda check. Got 1 of the 2. Other one is still in route.
Capacitors - Pulling in a favor from a buddy in the electronics world.
Mounting brackets for the lights - check
Weather warm enough to work outside - not yet!
 
#174 ·
JR HAWK.

Hows the LED's holding up thus far? I'm assuming you have a couple hours use on them,,,,

On the LED lights, I also have the light blue and light brown wires. I'm sure it is a dumb question, but I gotta ask. Blue is Neg, and Brown is Pos?
 
#175 ·
They are holding up just fine thus far. Although I don't have a lot of time on them and it looks like I won't get another chance yet this winter. We've had a bunch of smaller snowfalls (<6") and I used my Path-Pro on the smaller stuff.

Blue = positive
Brown = negative

Seeing they are diodes, you can only wire them one way for them to work. If you wire them up backwards they won't work but you won't fry the LED's.
 
#183 ·
We Have a Successful story.

Thank you to Superedge 88 and JRHawk9 for all the advise and tips.

I'm a happy, happy guy. To bad it is nearing the end of the season, but what the hay. I'm ready for next year.

If anyone is wondering about the mount location of the LED's, I pick this location for a few reasons. I did not want them on the sides of the handlebars being I store this blower in a narrow area and I can see them busting off. I could not get much more vertical than they are due to the direction shoot thinige hitting the light if I went taller.

Again. THANK YOU!!

 
#184 ·
We Have a Successful story.

Thank you to Superedge 88 and JRHawk9 for all the advise and tips.

I'm a happy, happy guy. To bad it is nearing the end of the season, but what the hay. I'm ready for next year.

If anyone is wondering about the mount location of the LED's, I pick this location for a few reasons. I did not want them on the sides of the handlebars being I store this blower in a narrow area and I can see them busting off. I could not get much more vertical than they are due to the direction shoot thinige hitting the light if I went taller.

Again. THANK YOU!!

2014 Ariens Deluxe 30 LED Light upgrade - YouTube

What did you use for mounts? That turned out very nice! :D
 
#185 · (Edited)
1/8" aluminum formed angles. I think I went 2" x 8" x 2" wide. Popped in a couple mounting holes to tie into the existing handle bar mounts, rounded off the sharp edges, angle cut the bottom to flow with the slope of the handle bars, and I was off and running. I wanted to get them powder coated, but for now I rattle canned them black. I can see that will not hold up to well however. Summer task that will be.

Again, Thanks Hawk. Could not have done it with out you and superedge88 and this forum.
 
#186 ·
1/8" aluminum formed angles. I think I went 2" x 8" x 2" wide. Popped in a couple mounting holes to tie into the existing handle bar mounts, rounded off the sharp edges, angle cut the bottom to flow with the slope of the handle bars, and I was off. I wanted to get them powder coated, but for now I rattle canned them black. I can see that will not hold up to well however. Summer task that will be.

Again, Thanks Hawk. Could not have done it with out you and superedge88 and this forum.
Can you post a couple photos? They look like they turned out awesome and pics may help others trying to do the same thing on a similar blower. I know my mounting system works for what I wanted to accomplish, but most people probably wouldn't like it as they do stick out some. Yours seems like it would work for most people.

NP, most of the credit should go to Super though, as it if wasn't for him I wouldn't have done it.
 
#190 ·
Having a 3 car garage with 3 "full size" vehicles and 2 motorcycles, I have very little room to spare, thus the reason for not mounting the lights off the sides of the blower. Side mounting would have thrown better light, but I know I would have problems down the road.
 
#196 ·
Looks really good, doesn't look DIY at all. Outside of the box mounting brackets, good thinking. What a difference LEDs make! It's flat out astonishing what kind of light quality you are able to achieve with such a small amount of money and amperage.
 
#193 ·
Was able to "test out" the lights this morning. We got 3-4" of snow overnight. I ran the blower with the LED lights and hand warmers on for a half hour total. Wow. What a difference the LED's make. I do have some shadows when I spin the shoot to the left, but still a big improvement over the stock light. I think I would get away from the shadows if I was willing to either bring the lights up (but due to the shoot crank design on the Deluxe series that won't happen) or hang the lights off the side of the handle bars, but that won't happen either. It was 27 deg. out, did not need the hand warmers but wanted to get in a real test. Before I shut it down after the half hour, I took my bare hand and felt my wiring harness to see if the capacitor was warm (read some where those little devils heat up) and I did not feel any warmth. Of course if I had a meter, I know where I would be at, but I don't so I'm kinda guessing.

All in all, I'm very, very happy with this modification. I have about $55.00 into this and a couple hours of my time (not including all the "oh crap, I gotta run to the hdwe store" time)
 
#195 ·
Yeah, that's the reason why I mounted mine the way I did. I don't really have any constraints so I went with the "higher and wider is better" montra....lol I also made sure I put the floods out the furthest and highest and then used my spots in the lower and narrower mounts to help reduce any shadowing. The spots I'm using for distances past what the floods can reach so those I have more control over the light beam and I knew I wouldn't get any shadows with how I have them aimed. That's the reasoning behind how and where I mounted my lights. How you mounted yours will work better for the majority of people though. My uncle wants me to add a pair of LED's to his Pro 28. If I do I'm definitely using your mounting idea and location, as he has limited room to get by his car in the garage.
 
#206 ·
Hi! I started a thread about my honda HS 760 from 2001. I have orderd two 10w led round flood that i am going to mount. link : 10W Round Flood CREE LED Off Road Work Light Lamp 9 24V Car Boat Bike Driving | eBay

Do you guys think that my snowblower is able to power the Uber led lights of doom?
And i have a question, i have read the hole thread and cant still get an answer. Is it AC or DC my Snowblower is putting out? Its ac right becouse otherwise i dont need an bride rectifier?

Sorry for bad english, im from sweden and english wasn't my best in school :(
 
#208 · (Edited)
Hi! I started a thread about my honda HS 760 from 2001. I have orderd two 10w led round flood that i am going to mount. link : 10W Round Flood CREE LED Off Road Work Light Lamp 9 24V Car Boat Bike Driving | eBay

Do you guys think that my snowblower is able to power the Uber led lights of doom?
And i have a question, i have read the hole thread and cant still get an answer. Is it AC or DC my Snowblower is putting out? Its ac right becouse otherwise i dont need an bride rectifier?

Sorry for bad english, im from sweden and english wasn't my best in school :(
Your English is pretty good! I answered you on your other thread, your headlight output is AC, which is why there is need for a bridge rectifier.

As stated early on in the first post of this thread...
There are many models of snowblowers that have a headlight circuit, In most cases you can find a single wire that registers at anywhere from 12v to 20v AC...
I do believe that the stator should be able to power the two LED headlights that you have, but it is hard to know for sure without having the specifications for your snowblower.
 
#209 ·
Your English is pretty good! I answered you on your other thread, your headlight output is AC, which is why there is need for a bridge rectifier.

As stated early on in the first post of this thread...


I do believe that the stator should be able to power the two LED headlights that you have, but it is hard to know for sure without having the specifications for your snowblower.

Well thank you for the nice words :)

I have 2 cables coming out from my snowblower. One is white and the other one is brown. When i massure the cables when my engine is running on idle it shows 7volt and on full speed it shows 17,3 volts.

Here's the thing if i messure the brown cabel and on the chassie i dont get any voltage, but it if messure the white cable and on the snowblower chassie i get 7volt on idle and 17,3 volt on full speed. Is my white cable my "phase" and the brown one my "ground"

And shouldn't i need to know how much ampere my engine is producing to calculate how much watt my roof is?

P = U x I (17volt x ? = Watt)

P=Watt
U=Voltage
I=Ampere



Thanks!
Tackar!
 
#207 ·
Most snow blower engines have only an "AC" wire to power the lights (incandescent) and or hand warmers, which will operate on AC or DC. Any engine that has a 12 volt DC electric starter would have a second wire (DC) from the alternator to charge the battery.
Your English is outstanding, I don't know a word of Swedish.(sorry) :eek: