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Upgrading your snowblower lights to LED lights (Please see 1st post edit/mouseover this link)

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[Edit: LED technology has improved exponentially since this thread was started. Be aware that earlier posts may be somewhat outdated, and that you will likely find the most useful information in later updates. Y.R.]

In this thread, we'll talk about the do's and don'ts of LED headlight upgrades for your snowblower, and post videos and pictures of our successes.
There are many models of snowblowers that have a headlight circuit, In most cases, you can find a single wire that registers at anywhere from 12v to 20v AC (with no load) that is located somewhere on the engine, many times under the gas tank. Halogen lights are the typical light that comes with many of our snowblowers. Many of us want much more light than what the halogen bulb can give us, as well as better reliability than a halogen bulb. The search for something brighter and more reliable ends with the LED light. LED's (Light Emitting Diodes) are extremely efficient, very bright, and have thousands of hours of reliable use.
Since the lighting circuit is typically AC current at somewhere between 40-60hertz, if you just attach an LED light to the circuit you'll get pulsing light (think on and off 40-60 times a second) This is caused by the nature of an LED, because an LED is polarity sensitive, and has no warm-up or cool down time when compared to a halogen bulb filament, the LED will flicker noticeably. The flickering of an LED on AC current is mildly annoying to many people, but VERY annoying when you are attaching it to a moving object like a snowblower. An LED that is in motion when attached to AC current (for reasons I won't even begin to get into) flickers much more noticeably. To test this for yourself, take a strand of LED Christmas lights, plug them in, and then swing them in front of you at arm's length, you'll see a strobing or flickering effect.
You can see many LED headlight upgrade videos on youtube like this one, where you can definitely see the flickering or strobing of the LED's. You can see the effect the flicker has on the video camera, you get weird tracks that go from top to bottom of the video frame.
1. EXAMPLE OF IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
2. EXAMPLE OF YET AGAIN AN IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
This is what it looks like once you add a bridge rectifier, even though you’ll see a tiny bit of flicker in the video, in person there is none, you also can notice that there is no “tracking” effect like in the other videos.

The problem of light flicker is solved by using a full wave bridge rectifier.

A bridge rectifier takes AC current and changes it into DC current using 4 diodes.

By connecting the positive and negative from your LED light(s) to the DC output of your bridge rectifier, and then connecting your single headlight circuit wire to one of the AC inputs of the bridge rectifier (it doesn't matter which AC input) and then attaching a wire from the metal of your snowblower to the other AC input you will have light! For safety purposes, it is recommended that you place a fuse on the headlight circuit wire before the bridge rectifier which should be about 5 amps rated fast blow, and then a fuse on the positive wiring between your bridge rectifier and your LED light that should be about ~1amp fast blow fuses. These fuse ratings are assuming you are using a headlight circuit that is rated for ~1amp at about 18volts, some headlight circuits are rated for 2, 3, or more amps, so using an amperage calculator like this one can help with both your LED light selection and your fuse selection. Volts/Amps/Watts Converter
Here's a pic of how I installed my bridge rectifier, I mounted it right next to my keyed switch that is on my handlebar console. I also used heat sink paste to couple the bridge rectifier’s metal casing to the console’s metal. I know this is way overkill, but my bridge rectifier came with the paste, and it was an easy application of some paste. The bridge rectifier I used is rated at 50amps 100volts KBPC5010 Bridge Rectifier | Alltronics

UPDATE: Using two 2200mfd 50v capacitors may be needed to clean up the voltage ripple that comes off of the DC output on your bridge rectifier. Some LED lights are sensitive to this ripple and may fail prematurely. Simply adding these capacitors in parallel on the DC output side of the bridge rectifier is a good precaution. Wire in the Capacitor(s) between the LED light(s) and the bridge rectifier. So the positive and negative of the bridge rectifier will go to the positive and negative of the capacitor. Then the positive and negative of the capacitor then get wired to the LED(s) positive and negative.

When choosing your LED lighting you typically have spotlights or flood lights available. Spotlights have a more pinpoint dispersion with very little side spill of light. Flood lights illuminate a wider area, and with the short distances (from LED light to relevant distance in front of your snowblower) you’ll want as wide dispersion as possible, or else you’ll get a tiny area in front of you illuminated. I made sure to get floodlights that were rated for voltage below what my snowblower headlight circuit tests at and above, so being that my snowblower headlight circuit tests at 18volts I picked a set of LED floodlights that were rated for 9-32 volts. I wanted to make sure that I would never be putting the floodlights in danger with whatever voltage the headlight circuit was producing, even a small voltage peak is accounted for. The floodlights I chose are 9 watts each, which is as much as my headlight circuit is rated for.
For those that appreciate a short(ish) video with some basic points noted here is a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZwebMaiyBY
 
#905 ·
since most of the pictures are gone from the thread i thought i'd go ahead and ask...how do you wire the switch? i just don't want to "try it out" and blow it.

currently i have the power coming off of the stator to the switch and the lights running to the dc outputs on the rectifier (pos on the diagonal blade). i'm unsure if i should run the switch ground to the rectifier ac or to the block or both. and then the acc power ? i'm not electrically inclined in the least.

this is on my honda hs928
 
#906 ·
I actually JUST did one on the girlfriends this past weekend with a switch, I put the switch on the pos lead with fuse off the rectifier going to the light and it seems to work well, But it's only been tested and not put in use as of yet. Still need to get out of this 70 deg weather LOL
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#911 ·
folks adding on/off switches to these circuits better being using a voltage regulator (added or built-in).

When there's no-load on the stator, the AC voltage can get quite high.
I would also like to know more,


the new toro has a switch of the grips leaves the light on 100% of the time, I've added a switch to turn it off after seeing the price of the bulb and not planning on using the machine at night plus a inline fuse to protect both should one short out


also i looked at the instructions from mtd for their grip heater kit, nothing is written about adding any regulator for either of 3 options to install it.
 
#908 ·
Ah had no idea on that, where would you add that and any recommendations on one
 
#909 · (Edited)
Don't beat yourself up about it! It's not intuitive. Disconnect it and measure the DC output. My Tecumseh HM80 exceeding 50VDC (reported in this thread).

My recommendation is to ditch the switch...use it to power your pretend 50cal machine gun or something. :smile_big:
 
#910 ·
Yea but it’s my girls SB, She would want a REAL 50 cal lol, guess I’ll just take the switch out
 
#912 · (Edited)
I am looking to add the lights to an Ariens Hydro Pro 36"... but there is not much room on the panel to add a switch. With the EFI engine, there are a few extra goodies on the panel. I already bought the components needed, and the switch is very similar to the factory hand warmer switch. The only thing I can think of is to expand the switch opening and add a double switch mount. Has anyone made this mod to the new EFI Ariens blowers yet? Is there a better place to mount the switch? I've also considered removing the factory light and mounting the switch on a cover over what used to be the light opening...

 
#913 · (Edited)
Switch location is non critical. Can be anywhere out of the way of snow/water. Only suggestion I have is to not mount it on the panel facing you..ie...where the decal says auto turn....as you will end up bumping it....or your jacket will catch it. IMO.

I would like to add a lesson learned....I put my lights on the upper part of the snow intake...to stay out of the chute shadow issue....that was a mistake...snow gets way too high here where I live......and the got covered too often. I ended up mounting to handle bars about console height. Even though they are behind the chute....they are far enough offset the chute shadow is not an issue...and stay snow free.
 
#919 ·
I would like to add a lesson learned....I put my lights on the upper part of the snow intake...to stay out of the chute shadow issue....that was a mistake...snow gets way too high here where I live......and the got covered too often. I ended up mounting to handle bars about console height. Even though they are behind the chute....they are far enough offset the chute shadow is not an issue...and stay snow free.

Can you give me a line on where to get brackets for handlebar mount that are big enough to fit the handlebar? I have to do the same to my Craftsman 10/32. It is the large frame model with flipper grips for auger and drive.
 
#914 · (Edited)
I have an Ariens 24 Platinum SHO with stock heated handle grips. I have two cheap Chinese 18 watt led lights that I plan on hooking up. I have the rectifier, capacitors, and wiring info all set I believe. I had planned on using a dpdt toggle on-off-on switch so could make it so that either the lights were on OR the heated handle grips were on. Never both at the same time. I'm under the impression that the stator on this puts out 60watts at 12v. I'm just wondering now if I could change my plans and change it to use both of the lights and heated handle grips at the same time? Would this be in the power range of the stator on this blower? Thanks for any info!
 
#915 ·
Have the 24PlatSHO also. Haven't done the light upgrade yet myself. However, according to what I've researched, the hand warmers consume approx. 30 watts of the 60w the stator creates. Therefore, there should be a +30 watt balance for lights. With your 18w x2 = 36watts depending on the vague +/- of things, as the stator relies on engine RPM to create the electricity, you could run short at lower RPMs. I have read of people using capacitors to smooth-out the power delivery in addition to the bridge rectifier to convert AC to DC. That would likely help. But again, haven't done mine yet, so just theory at the moment.
 
#918 ·
Hello everyone. amongst the 92 pages of this post is there a wiring diagram? I have a 17-18 year old MTD with a 10HP Tecumseh that I'd love to add a set of LED lights to as the old tractor light i mounted to it years ago is no where bright enough. I would love to work from a wiring diagram for this project. Is there one?


Thanks
 
#924 ·
I inherited a 2007 Craftsman 28" with easy steer from my dad. I'm trying to find out what alternator output I have, but have some concerns. It has a B&S 1150 Snow Series on it, and looking at the parts fiche, has a 3A current, but I don't know at what voltage. I think I can just micrometer it on the AC setting and use Ohms law to determine total watts I have available?

I have a bridge rectifier ordered, (2) 2200 microfarad caps ready to go, and two 18W led lights. I would also like to put the MTD grip warmers on. If I disconnect the halogen bulb, will I have enough juice for all of this?

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#928 ·
I inherited a 2007 Craftsman 28" with easy steer from my dad. I'm trying to find out what alternator output I have, but have some concerns. It has a B&S 1150 Snow Series on it, and looking at the parts fiche, has a 3A current, but I don't know at what voltage. I think I can just micrometer it on the AC setting and use Ohms law to determine total watts I have available?

I have a bridge rectifier ordered, (2) 2200 microfarad caps ready to go, and two 18W led lights. I would also like to put the MTD grip warmers on. If I disconnect the halogen bulb, will I have enough juice for all of this?
I just put almost the exact same engine on my 1979 Ariens (mine is a 15C107) It came with an AC Only 60W/3A stator.
 
#925 ·
Ok, So I read about halfway through the 90+ pages of this thread.. Has anyone considered using the onboard stator to charge a battery then run the lights/heated grips off the battery. You still need to regulate the voltage to the battery so its doesn't pop, but I'm thinking that you will have more consistent light through the RPM range, and when you park the machine just plug in a battery tender/float charger to keep the battery peaked. If you want to get really crazy you can use a small power supply fed from the battery to regulate voltage to your LED's.

just my .02
 
#927 ·
Having a battery isn't a bad idea at all.

I think what's lost when reading through the majority of this thread is that while everyone has the same (or fairly similar) desired outcome, the starting point for everyone ranges very significantly. You've got folks with newer blowers, trying to replace lights using existing wiring and switches, all the way down to people like me, who have a 40 year old blower that's never had lights. I feel like that's why it's difficult to have a single "wiring diagram" that will fit everyone's needs.

In terms of the battery, the major drawbacks I see are:

  • Needing to fab up a battery mounting location, snowblowers don't always have a ton of extra space
  • You said yourself, you still need to regulate the voltage coming out of the battery
 
#926 ·
Hey all, been a long time lurker. Lots of info to digest. Im suprised I dont see more pictures on this thread!! Lets see some!

Specifically, has anyone done something with the snow cab mounting lights above that? The guy below really went to town on his setup, and thats exactly what I plan on doing! Picking up some 1" square tubing this week!

 
#934 · (Edited)
Question relating to the capacitors for this project.


I read the entire thread several times and I see some people say they installed 2200 mF caps and others installed 2200 µF caps.
Another person stated that all that is required is 100 mF.
Someone even said 220 µF would be ok.


I understand the use of the caps is to smooth out the AC voltage on the DC side of the rectifier.
So let me ask this...
Has anyone checked the results with a scope to determine what is an acceptable range of smoothing with the installed caps to really protect the LED lights?
Or is the consensus, "if it doesn't flicker" everything is OK?
What is the requirement of the LED's we are using for clean power?
If I had a scope, and knowledge to use it, I would be more than willing to provide the answers to the above questions.:dizzy:
Equivalent Farads
Picofarad pF 10-12 0.000000000001 F
Nanofarad nF 10-9 0.000000001 F
Microfarad µF 10-6 0.000001 F
Milifarad mF 10-3 0.001 F
Kilofarad kF 103 1000 F
I have been following this thread for a year. Just curious about the capacitors.
 
#935 ·
@MnP40c great job on this video, I have an 28" Cub Cadet that I'm doing to do the same thing with and position them in the same place forward of the auger. Question, did you do anything as far as protecting the wiring besides the coil harness? Did you silicone treat the screws that held the lights, the switch, rectifier or capacitors? I'd like to try to waterproof what I can as I think that is what caused my halogen light assembly to go bad.

Thanks, Rich
 
#936 ·
Hello. Newbie here! I see I am late to the "LED lights on a snowblower" party! LOL I came upon this thread while looking for answers as to why my LED setup didn't work, hopefully you all can shed some "light" on the subject for me. I installed one 18w LED flood light with a bridge rectifier as I seen on a different forum a little while back. The light worked fin UNTIL I throttled the engine to full speed, then the light immediately went out. Thinking it may have been a bad light, i repeated the process. The exact same thing happened. The rectifier I used is rated @ 400v 25a. I honestly didn't pay attention to the ratings, I just ordered the first rectifier that came up in my search. I see the recommended one in this forum is ratted @ 1000v 50a. After reading through this thread I am wondering if I used the wrong rectifier and that may have caused this.

Here are the items I used:
Lights:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01EJWB62U/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Rectifier
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002KRDPI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I have exchanged the lights but am hesitant to install again until I know why this is happening.

Thanks everyone for the help.
 
#937 ·
Let me ask a stupid question based solely on ignorance. I've deposited a new Simplicity Signature series with the B/S 14.5 professional engine.

I'd like to put a 12 light bar on the front of the chute.

How many volts does the alternator in the engine put out? I was assuming it was a 12v system. Can't I just pick up the 12V source for the factory light and tap into that? It's a Halogen light, which I will change to LED when I get the unit. This way current draw doesn't become a problem.

What do these alternators put out? Is the voltage that inconsistent that a regulator/rectifier is required? I would think that a rectifier/regulator is part of the system already since a light is provided from the factory.
 
#940 ·
I did the upgrade prior to last winter.
The directions here were excellent, and I appreciated the detail.....easy to do.
My lessons learned..after a year of snow...last year...where I live....
I would NOT recommend the led lights be placed in intake bucket....if you get heavy snow. The get blocked...covered...and bent. Using 2 LEDs as I did, I relocated and placed high off handlebars. A little shute shadow is far better than stopping and taking the snow off or bending back in position.
I did this using motorcycle mirror mounts I got off eBay...and redrilled/tapped holes to suit the lights.
Also it’s shorter to wire and less visible...less prone to issues with wiring...
Place your switch where you will not bump , catch on jacket etc. you only turn it on when required....does not need to be at hands reach.
If you clear snow in the dark....this is recommended upgrade for safety...visibility in dark areas.
My nickel.98 opinion.
 
#942 · (Edited)
Hey, I need a little help with an led install on a Honda hs624. It has a 12v 50watt lighting coil. The problem is it Does not have a two wire output. There is a single power wire output.

How should I go about wiring in a bridge rectifier? I have built a nice full wave bridge rectifier setup but i didn’t realize the Honda has a single power wire. Do I simply connect one of the bridge rectifier AC leads to engine ground?
 
#943 ·
Yes, I just added a light to a blower with no light and had the same question, One to ground and other to power wire.