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Upgrading your snowblower lights to LED lights (Please see 1st post edit/mouseover this link)

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[Edit: LED technology has improved exponentially since this thread was started. Be aware that earlier posts may be somewhat outdated, and that you will likely find the most useful information in later updates. Y.R.]

In this thread, we'll talk about the do's and don'ts of LED headlight upgrades for your snowblower, and post videos and pictures of our successes.
There are many models of snowblowers that have a headlight circuit, In most cases, you can find a single wire that registers at anywhere from 12v to 20v AC (with no load) that is located somewhere on the engine, many times under the gas tank. Halogen lights are the typical light that comes with many of our snowblowers. Many of us want much more light than what the halogen bulb can give us, as well as better reliability than a halogen bulb. The search for something brighter and more reliable ends with the LED light. LED's (Light Emitting Diodes) are extremely efficient, very bright, and have thousands of hours of reliable use.
Since the lighting circuit is typically AC current at somewhere between 40-60hertz, if you just attach an LED light to the circuit you'll get pulsing light (think on and off 40-60 times a second) This is caused by the nature of an LED, because an LED is polarity sensitive, and has no warm-up or cool down time when compared to a halogen bulb filament, the LED will flicker noticeably. The flickering of an LED on AC current is mildly annoying to many people, but VERY annoying when you are attaching it to a moving object like a snowblower. An LED that is in motion when attached to AC current (for reasons I won't even begin to get into) flickers much more noticeably. To test this for yourself, take a strand of LED Christmas lights, plug them in, and then swing them in front of you at arm's length, you'll see a strobing or flickering effect.
You can see many LED headlight upgrade videos on youtube like this one, where you can definitely see the flickering or strobing of the LED's. You can see the effect the flicker has on the video camera, you get weird tracks that go from top to bottom of the video frame.
1. EXAMPLE OF IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
2. EXAMPLE OF YET AGAIN AN IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
This is what it looks like once you add a bridge rectifier, even though you’ll see a tiny bit of flicker in the video, in person there is none, you also can notice that there is no “tracking” effect like in the other videos.

The problem of light flicker is solved by using a full wave bridge rectifier.

A bridge rectifier takes AC current and changes it into DC current using 4 diodes.

By connecting the positive and negative from your LED light(s) to the DC output of your bridge rectifier, and then connecting your single headlight circuit wire to one of the AC inputs of the bridge rectifier (it doesn't matter which AC input) and then attaching a wire from the metal of your snowblower to the other AC input you will have light! For safety purposes, it is recommended that you place a fuse on the headlight circuit wire before the bridge rectifier which should be about 5 amps rated fast blow, and then a fuse on the positive wiring between your bridge rectifier and your LED light that should be about ~1amp fast blow fuses. These fuse ratings are assuming you are using a headlight circuit that is rated for ~1amp at about 18volts, some headlight circuits are rated for 2, 3, or more amps, so using an amperage calculator like this one can help with both your LED light selection and your fuse selection. Volts/Amps/Watts Converter
Here's a pic of how I installed my bridge rectifier, I mounted it right next to my keyed switch that is on my handlebar console. I also used heat sink paste to couple the bridge rectifier’s metal casing to the console’s metal. I know this is way overkill, but my bridge rectifier came with the paste, and it was an easy application of some paste. The bridge rectifier I used is rated at 50amps 100volts KBPC5010 Bridge Rectifier | Alltronics

UPDATE: Using two 2200mfd 50v capacitors may be needed to clean up the voltage ripple that comes off of the DC output on your bridge rectifier. Some LED lights are sensitive to this ripple and may fail prematurely. Simply adding these capacitors in parallel on the DC output side of the bridge rectifier is a good precaution. Wire in the Capacitor(s) between the LED light(s) and the bridge rectifier. So the positive and negative of the bridge rectifier will go to the positive and negative of the capacitor. Then the positive and negative of the capacitor then get wired to the LED(s) positive and negative.

When choosing your LED lighting you typically have spotlights or flood lights available. Spotlights have a more pinpoint dispersion with very little side spill of light. Flood lights illuminate a wider area, and with the short distances (from LED light to relevant distance in front of your snowblower) you’ll want as wide dispersion as possible, or else you’ll get a tiny area in front of you illuminated. I made sure to get floodlights that were rated for voltage below what my snowblower headlight circuit tests at and above, so being that my snowblower headlight circuit tests at 18volts I picked a set of LED floodlights that were rated for 9-32 volts. I wanted to make sure that I would never be putting the floodlights in danger with whatever voltage the headlight circuit was producing, even a small voltage peak is accounted for. The floodlights I chose are 9 watts each, which is as much as my headlight circuit is rated for.
For those that appreciate a short(ish) video with some basic points noted here is a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZwebMaiyBY
 
#1,036 ·
So the bulb says 20W but the lights I'm ordering are 18W each x 2 = 36W.
I'm wondering if there's going to be enough output to power these 2 lights. I know the 20W on the bulb isn't an accurate representation of the output from the snowblower. Without my multimeter I'm SOL.

Anybody else?
Wire one up and fire it up full throttle and measure the voltage, if you're strongly above 12 volts the try the other one if you're still above 12 volts your good to go.
Take coby's advice as the word of God. He knows his stuff. This is exactly how I judged if my light is ok.
 
#1,039 ·
Using your multimeter to measure voltages is not much different then checking batteries, what kind of multimeter do you have?
Your ariens outputs AC voltage. LEDs require DC.
While an **regular** stand alone LED **might**?? work on AC when the AC is at it's positive period , you also stand a chance blowing the LED during the AC negative period.
The LEDs that most people use are not JUST LEDs they have a driver/power supply included, I don't know how they tolerate AC.
I've read some posts where the people did connect the LEDs to the AC out of the stator, but got a lot of flicker.
HTH
JerryR
 
#1,041 ·
You should be aware that the output voltage of your bridge rectifier is a pulsating DC (not pure DC) I don't see any capacitors(used to smooth/filter the AC component) in the part list you posted, so I'm guessing you are not using any.
Doing this, some people reported blowing their LEDs (I don't know if that was the real reason), and some reported no damage, this could also result in flicker.
Why not use your multimeter to measure the voltage(both DC and AC) at the output of the bridge rectifier BEFORE you hook up the lights?.
HTH
JerryR
 
#1,050 ·
JamesHenry, It's not difficult at all. I just did my Ariens Platinum 24 recently. Here are a couple of YouTube links showing how. The only thing missing is capacitors. What you do is connect them across the DC negative and DC positive coming out of the full wave bridge rectifier, note the polarity. If you use more than one capacitor connect them in parralel.


I used 2 12watt LEDs floodlights I got off eBay. Easily enough light. Similar to this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/CAR-LED-Wo...d-Light-4WD-ATV-SUV/263407743288?hash=item3d54533138:g:~n8AAOSwi8xaRGjq&vxp=mtr

I used these to mount to the snowblower, no drilling required.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0753YM3VX/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 
#1,047 ·
Ariens 926LE bulb replacement

Hi - I have a Ariens 926LE with the built in head light assembly in the front panel. The bulb assembly is a halogen bulb permanently mounted on 90 degree angle base. The only markings on the bulb assembly are 12V 20W. Is there a LED replacement for this bulb assembly with higher lumens? I'm not interested in adding additional lights to the snowblower at this time; just convert the stock headlight. There are no hand warmers installed. Thanks.
 
#1,049 ·
Hi - I have a Ariens 926LE with the built in head light assembly in the front panel. The bulb assembly is a halogen bulb permanently mounted on 90 degree angle base. The only markings on the bulb assembly are 12V 20W. Is there a LED replacement for this bulb assembly with higher lumens? I'm not interested in adding additional lights to the snowblower at this time; just convert the stock headlight. There are no hand warmers installed. Thanks.
Auto parts stores carry LED replacement bulbs for changing over from halogen or incandescent type bulbs.
Take your socket and bulb and see if they have a retrofit.
 
#1,048 ·
No rectifier, no capacitor, no problem!

Hello All. I’ve been lurking for about 2 weeks and have read this entire thread, some of it multiple times. I’ve gone from intrigued to confused and back again about 57 times. Then I decided to give it a whirl and hook up a large LED where the old halogen was and two 6” spot light bars on the front. I have a MTD Pro 28”, from about 2012. Since I didn’t have any of the things I needed on hand, I went ahead and ordered the LEDs (several types), bunch of wire, loom, all sorts of connectors, a switch, in-line fuse kit, cable clips, rectifier, capacitor and more. Then, since the first light I bought was 48W, 2900 lumen monster, I decided to order another set of smaller 18W because I was afraid I’d blow up the machine.

So I read and I read and I read…I drew my own schematics to try and get a handle on what I was about to do and decided to first – after 2 weeks of this craziness – to mount the 6” bars on the front. I ran into an immediate problem. The space to affix the tiny bolt to the tiny screw was so incredibly small, that I would have to use a surgical device to mount it! I was so frustrated because after all this time of worrying about the amperage capacity, wattage capacity, where to ground it, where to add fuses, how to property connect the rectifier and capacitor, blah blah blah…I was stymied by the very first step I took, which should be the easiest step by far!

So I said, screw this. Since I had seen one or two questions here asking whether people had electric start (which I have), although there was dissension about how much that small battery would help, I already had mounted the 48W on the same mount that the old halogen was on and said, “I’m just hooking this **** thing up straight and see what happens”. No additional fuse, no rectifier, no capacitor, nothing! Simply connected the two wires from the stator to the light and held my breath.

It worked like a charm! No flickering, no problem. This video is taken while running only at half idle and still no flicker at all. 6KLED 448 Heavy Duty Floodlight from Amazon.

So while I considered hooking up the smaller ones to the front…I’m done! Lol Sending back all of the other stuff I ordered.:smile_big:

https://vimeo.com/250635330
 
#1,057 ·
Yup, DC converter is mentioned. My Bad.

A bridge rectifier does most the work, but its best to use atleast a 1 2200uf capacitor for smoothening. A bridge recifier along eliminates 80 percent of the flicker.

I now use 2 2200uf capacitors on all LED installs I do.
 
#1,060 ·
Nice post Superedge.
I have a Troy-bilt 2625.
I disconnected the existing halogen light at the socket to have two female spade connectors. Fired it up. Checked the voltage. it was reading 11.7VAC. If I converted it to DC I could use automotive bar lights within (amperage draw) reason.
I bought a 1X 120W 24" single row led light at eBay from autosaver88. $25.99. This arrived in three days. It was super rugged. Aluminum cast frame. It adds about 3 lbs of weight down on the intake...which will help keeping the bottom blade down on the pavement.

I ordered the electronics parts at Jameco.com and arrived in three days with normal postage.
50V Bridge rectifier. Full Wave
2 - 2200 mfd 35v
I bought a rocker switch and a fuse holder but thought. My halogen does not have a switch nor fuse. I can add these easily later. They arrived within 24 hours of one another.

Meanwhile...while the temperature went up to 60 degrees conveniently on installation day. (all the snow...gone)

As it turns out the connectors to the halogen light socket fit the flat blade pins on the rectifier. Except the red colored smaller connector. I had to file one side of the rectifier connector blade pin so the other wire could press onto the rectifier pin.

I mounted the 24" bar light on top of the 26" snow intake. One hole drilled for each mounting bracket.

Soldered in 4.5' of two conductor wire to the light.
At the rectifier. I twisted the negatives of the capacitors to the negative wire running to the light. Soldered the three together.
I twisted the positive leads of the caps to the positive light lead and soldered those together. the positives and negatives are now roughly the distance between the rectifier posts. I just took a blade socket (female) crimp fitting from O'Reilly Automotive and crimped it on each of the 3 soldered wires. I pressed the positive on the positive lead on the rectifier. Negative to negative.

I used a 1-1/2" 1/4x20 bolt through the middle hole in the rectifier and some fender washers (as an added heat sink) to mount the whole package under the black plastic housing next to the existing decommissioned halogen light. I had to drill a 1/4" hole in the plastic.

I encased the wire in 5' of 5/8" plastic conduit (from O'Reilly) from the light bar to the engine and up the handle to under the control panel taking care not to interfere with the control cable for the transmission. I used tywrap hold down squares to hold the conduit/wire harness to the blower housing. Tywraps up the handle.

Fired it up. Works awesome. Only a little flickering as the motor reaches zero rpm.

I had to loosen the adjustment bolt and tilt it down because this thing lights up the whole driveway and yard. 8 LEDs on each end are flood reflected the middle 8 LEDs are spot lights.

As I was testing and taking pics the temp dipped below freezing. In 12 hours it dipped to 8 degrees and 3" of lake effect snow...not enough to blow.

With the old halogen light i always worried that i could not be seen by drivers as I clear near the entrance of my drive on a rural road. I also use tinted ski goggles for night skiing and had a little trouble seeing with the existing halogen. Not a chance now.
 
#1,069 ·
The model I have has the heated handgrip option that I didn't get.

One hand is on the right handle/drive lever. The blower is engaged via the left lever and locked via the drive lever interlock. My left hand is on the pistol grip to angle the chute as I turn. What good is the left handgrip heater? If it's -10F and I'm snow blowing and theres no wind. No heater required. If its -10F and there's 20mph winds. I won't be snow blowing until the lake effect fluffy stuff stops drifting.

Thinking about the electrics.
Logically thinking.... it is drawing as much as those 24, 5W (maximum i presume) LEDs put out.
Most electrics that specify a voltage range. If it's not enough it won't work. If its too much it will blow. If you reverse bias an LED like any diode. it will fail. So a rectifier is a good and logical idea that Tesla would most likely approve of. :)

Honestly, Just because it has the capacity of 120W that it is actually putting out 120W and drawing 11.54 amps?

So...Off to the barn with my clamp on ammeter. I put the clamp on meter on the one lead going to the rectifier.

It's putting out/drawing 4.1Amps.

On the other post about being careful that the LEDs would blow at idle ... I went to idle many times. The LEDs dim to 40-50% (and have a slight flicker) (i don't have a lumens meter). They dim and bright with RPM.

Now if I make that graphine super capacitor (youTube link) it might just remain lit for several minutes after shutdown to get out of my barn with a little light and further dampen the AC ripple on the DC.

The eBay number is on my email receipt is 301673889220 but when I put that number in it gives me a 36W 2 led high, 6 led long rectangular lamp. . 1x 120W 24" Single Row LED Light Bar 4WD SUV.... $25.99 free shipping! sold by autosaver88 (150847)

Since I'm a NEWB I'm not sure what app I need to apply to make photos happen.

Believe me...It's cool looking!
 
#1,070 ·
Honestly, Just because it has the capacity of 120W that it is actually putting out 120W and drawing 11.54 amps?
Well the way it is designed it will always put out maximum light provided the input voltage is above minimum specification.
So...Off to the barn with my clamp on ammeter. I put the clamp on meter on the one lead going to the rectifier.

It's putting out/drawing 4.1Amps.
That's only 36 Watts. The reason I was asking about the ebay listing is often they write in the description 120 Watts but what they really mean is it puts out the equivalent of a 120 Watt halogen. Seeing the description would help. Your best test would be to put the light on a battery and measure DC volts and DC current. That would not lie.

Since I'm a NEWB I'm not sure what app I need to apply to make photos happen.

Believe me...It's cool looking!
I use Igmur
 
#1,071 ·
^^^I've had these same thoughts exactly looking at how wild some are getting with their light setups. Taxing some of these small electrical systems WAY beyond their design capacity imo.

Overkill is only good when it doesn't... overkill.
 
#1,073 ·
I looked at a heated handgrip upgrade for my Troybilt 2625. The two handgrips have a 7.5A fuse. I'm figuring they must draw like 5-6A for a 7.5A fuse to be installed. So.. 6A plus the original halogen lightbulb draw is less than what this light bar draws. 4.1A I went and found the installation video for the alternator. Its a full moon stator so it must then be 10A, 11.4V. It's tough when you don't have the specs.

Anybody know how many watts the heated hand grips are? I'm thinking 30W a piece? 40 would be too hot. 15W is not enough. 2= 60W at 10.4V

This lightbar should be OK operating at 4.1A and 10.4V with an alternator with a 10A capacity.

The lightbar spec sheet only said 10-30V and 120W. I'm assuming an equivalent light output to a 120W resistance type bulb.


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#1,078 ·
I have a question on wiring led’s. Do I have to isolate the DC side of the rectifier or can I connect the negative of the dc to chassis ground and also one of A.C. connectors on the bridge rectifier to ground essentially having two prongs on the rectifier to ground. Basically can I use the chassis as the dc ground.

Doug
 
#1,079 ·
I have a question on wiring led’s. Do I have to isolate the DC side of the rectifier or can I connect the negative of the dc to chassis ground and also one of A.C. connectors on the bridge rectifier to ground essentially having two prongs on the rectifier to ground. Basically can I use the chassis as the dc ground.

Doug
What is the make and model of your snow blower?
 
#1,081 ·
The wire from the engine to one of the AC post on the bridge rectifier.
A wire from the other AC post on the bridge rectifier to engine ground.
A wire from DC+ on the bridge rectifier to the positive wire on the light.
A wire from the DC- on the bridge rectifier to the other wire on the light.
DO NOT GROUND THE DC SIDE OF THE BRIDGE RECTIFIER.
Don't forget your capacitor(s) between the bridge rectifier and light.
By the way welcome to the forum.