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Upgrading your snowblower lights to LED lights (Please see 1st post edit/mouseover this link)

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[Edit: LED technology has improved exponentially since this thread was started. Be aware that earlier posts may be somewhat outdated, and that you will likely find the most useful information in later updates. Y.R.]

In this thread, we'll talk about the do's and don'ts of LED headlight upgrades for your snowblower, and post videos and pictures of our successes.
There are many models of snowblowers that have a headlight circuit, In most cases, you can find a single wire that registers at anywhere from 12v to 20v AC (with no load) that is located somewhere on the engine, many times under the gas tank. Halogen lights are the typical light that comes with many of our snowblowers. Many of us want much more light than what the halogen bulb can give us, as well as better reliability than a halogen bulb. The search for something brighter and more reliable ends with the LED light. LED's (Light Emitting Diodes) are extremely efficient, very bright, and have thousands of hours of reliable use.
Since the lighting circuit is typically AC current at somewhere between 40-60hertz, if you just attach an LED light to the circuit you'll get pulsing light (think on and off 40-60 times a second) This is caused by the nature of an LED, because an LED is polarity sensitive, and has no warm-up or cool down time when compared to a halogen bulb filament, the LED will flicker noticeably. The flickering of an LED on AC current is mildly annoying to many people, but VERY annoying when you are attaching it to a moving object like a snowblower. An LED that is in motion when attached to AC current (for reasons I won't even begin to get into) flickers much more noticeably. To test this for yourself, take a strand of LED Christmas lights, plug them in, and then swing them in front of you at arm's length, you'll see a strobing or flickering effect.
You can see many LED headlight upgrade videos on youtube like this one, where you can definitely see the flickering or strobing of the LED's. You can see the effect the flicker has on the video camera, you get weird tracks that go from top to bottom of the video frame.
1. EXAMPLE OF IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
2. EXAMPLE OF YET AGAIN AN IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
This is what it looks like once you add a bridge rectifier, even though you’ll see a tiny bit of flicker in the video, in person there is none, you also can notice that there is no “tracking” effect like in the other videos.

The problem of light flicker is solved by using a full wave bridge rectifier.

A bridge rectifier takes AC current and changes it into DC current using 4 diodes.

By connecting the positive and negative from your LED light(s) to the DC output of your bridge rectifier, and then connecting your single headlight circuit wire to one of the AC inputs of the bridge rectifier (it doesn't matter which AC input) and then attaching a wire from the metal of your snowblower to the other AC input you will have light! For safety purposes, it is recommended that you place a fuse on the headlight circuit wire before the bridge rectifier which should be about 5 amps rated fast blow, and then a fuse on the positive wiring between your bridge rectifier and your LED light that should be about ~1amp fast blow fuses. These fuse ratings are assuming you are using a headlight circuit that is rated for ~1amp at about 18volts, some headlight circuits are rated for 2, 3, or more amps, so using an amperage calculator like this one can help with both your LED light selection and your fuse selection. Volts/Amps/Watts Converter
Here's a pic of how I installed my bridge rectifier, I mounted it right next to my keyed switch that is on my handlebar console. I also used heat sink paste to couple the bridge rectifier’s metal casing to the console’s metal. I know this is way overkill, but my bridge rectifier came with the paste, and it was an easy application of some paste. The bridge rectifier I used is rated at 50amps 100volts KBPC5010 Bridge Rectifier | Alltronics

UPDATE: Using two 2200mfd 50v capacitors may be needed to clean up the voltage ripple that comes off of the DC output on your bridge rectifier. Some LED lights are sensitive to this ripple and may fail prematurely. Simply adding these capacitors in parallel on the DC output side of the bridge rectifier is a good precaution. Wire in the Capacitor(s) between the LED light(s) and the bridge rectifier. So the positive and negative of the bridge rectifier will go to the positive and negative of the capacitor. Then the positive and negative of the capacitor then get wired to the LED(s) positive and negative.

When choosing your LED lighting you typically have spotlights or flood lights available. Spotlights have a more pinpoint dispersion with very little side spill of light. Flood lights illuminate a wider area, and with the short distances (from LED light to relevant distance in front of your snowblower) you’ll want as wide dispersion as possible, or else you’ll get a tiny area in front of you illuminated. I made sure to get floodlights that were rated for voltage below what my snowblower headlight circuit tests at and above, so being that my snowblower headlight circuit tests at 18volts I picked a set of LED floodlights that were rated for 9-32 volts. I wanted to make sure that I would never be putting the floodlights in danger with whatever voltage the headlight circuit was producing, even a small voltage peak is accounted for. The floodlights I chose are 9 watts each, which is as much as my headlight circuit is rated for.
For those that appreciate a short(ish) video with some basic points noted here is a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZwebMaiyBY
 
#52 ·
It's not as easy as that. The CREE LED is nothing but the little LED (Google photo search CREE LED once). Manufacturers then use that LED to put inside their light housings. All of them I've been able to find have been made in China and either shipped directly from China or from some place in CA. So finding one locally is going to be tough.
 
#55 ·
Thanks! The place I got the rectifier from is a electrical gadget heaven. I let them know the specs and they are doing the search of all their suppliers. See, I got a real bad taste in my mouth multiple times ordering from down south. Stuff ends up either kicked the full distance on the ground or the turtle dies part way and they need to send a second turtle to retrieve the package or the stupid border decides to eat donuts instead of doing their job.
 
#59 ·
Here are some before/after pics. I am quite surprised actually! Will have to check tomorrow, seems the switch must be sorta faulty. It worked somewhat earlier and now it doesn`t shut the light off. Light still flickers with the blower governor (maybe a little farting), but on full throttle it is alot better.
 

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Make sure you are not "grounding" your negative wire in the DC side of the full wave rectifier. Wire it directly to the LED. Grounding your DC wire will turn it into a half wave and give you flicker. Your AC alternator is already using the chassis and you cant share them and keep it full wave.
 
#62 ·
Where's you pick up the rectifier Darcy? B&E?
Oh my yes!!!! I phoned up to the guys at Auto Electric and one of them told me about B&E. I walked 2 feet into that business and stopped dead in my tracks and just looked around with a stupid grin and drool running down my chin. A guy came up to me and asked if he could help me...and all I said was: "I have never been here before, but I already love this place". He started to laugh! That place is heaven for a guy that loves to tinker especially when it comes to electrical gadgitry. They have everything.
 
#65 ·
Sweet just the subject I was searching for. Ok I'm a forum newbie but not new to snow. Been in and around Tahoe for the last 20 years. Very mechanically inclined and always willing to learn from others. Just scored a craftsman 8.5/26 track drive ( green one) electric start ect. by horse trading my way up from a free generator. We don't get a Ton of snow here in Gardnerville where I'm at ( 6" per storm would be a lot here) but I do have a extra large driveway 4 cars wide and 16x60 Rv parking plus another 16x16 area on the other side of the house. Plus I like to clean the sidewalk as a courtesy and just plain eliminate ice later. So in short I think this machine will do fine . Tested the other day starts and runs good drive and tractions well and throws snow decent . Definitely no honda. Anyhow I noticed the light is so weak and yellow then I saw this forum and thread.
Anyone know of a led or hid light that works well with these.
Thanks
 
#74 ·
OK, here's a video I shot earlier -before- it was dark out. The mounts are made out of aluminum tubing and are mounted to the blower using -SORBOTHANE ISOLATION BUSHINGS- to help reduce the vibrations the LED's see. This is why the mounts look to be sagging a bit, as they are soft rubber mounted.

I will get another video hopefully soon showing them at night.

 
#75 ·
OK, here's a video I shot earlier -before- it was dark out. The mounts are made out of aluminum tubing and are mounted to the blower using -SORBOTHANE ISOLATION BUSHINGS- to help reduce the vibrations the LED's see. This is why the mounts look to be sagging a bit, as they are soft rubber mounted.

I will get another video hopefully soon showing them at night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dNe9nJRjyE&feature=youtu.be
JR, did you put the capacitor inline with the dc+ wire going to the lights?
 
#78 ·
OK, I finally got around to making a video at night. This is comparing the stock headlight to the FOUR CREE LED's. Like I mentioned above, two of them are floods and two of them are spots. The floods are on the outside and are aimed more down in front while the spots are on the inside and are aimed a bit further out in front. I have the AC supply side to the bridge rectifier fused at -only- 2amps and have not blown a fuse yet. I do have the two lefts and two rights fused at 2amps a piece on the DC side as well just in case. I am using 2 - 2200mfd/50V capacitors to smooth out the DC voltage, as if I don't chances are at least one of the LED's will go out as they seem rather susceptible to dirty voltage.

 
#79 ·
OK, I finally got around to making a video at night. This is comparing the stock headlight to the FOUR CREE LED's. Like I mentioned above, two of them are floods and two of them are spots. The floods are on the outside and are aimed more down in front while the spots are on the inside and are aimed a bit further out in front. I have the AC supply side to the bridge rectifier fused at -only- 2amps and have not blown a fuse yet. I do have the two lefts and two rights fused at 2amps a piece on the DC side as well just in case. I am using 2 - 2200mfd/50V capacitors to smooth out the DC voltage, as if I don't chances are at least one of the LED's will go out as they seem rather susceptible to dirty voltage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD-riQPGi-s
Holy smokes. That's incredible. Looks amazing nice work.

How did you wire up the second capacitor? Did you think I need the second one if I only go with the 2 lights instead of the 4? Although, I admit I'm envious of the 4.
 
#84 ·
A suggestion though JR.....

You need to change your screen name to the "Mad Illuminator," and it should be stated in a thick Bavarian accent.....:D
 
#88 · (Edited)
Capable of throwing more than 3,600 lumens for at least 4 hours on a single charge? I find that hard to believe, but maybe. Maybe the bike light method may work for some, but it wouldn't work for me for how long I am out at a time and how batteries get when subjected to cold weather for extended periods of time. I much prefer the hard wired method. :D

I just looked into this, as it may have been an option for my Path-Pro.

Below is a link to all the specs of their different lights.
http://www.niterider.com/2014-product/pro-3600-race/

In order to get something capable of 3,600+ lumens, you only have a couple options:
- A single Pro 3600.....gives you 3,600 lumens but only lasts 1.5 hours at that setting. This costs $560 on Amazon.
- TWO Pro 1800 Race...gives you 3,600 lumens but only lasts 1.5 hours at those settings. These cost $272ea on Amazon. Looking at a total of $544

Looking into the rated output, max run time and cost of all the available models, I don't agree with what POWERSHIFT93 said above. Even their cheapest light is $45 and it only emits 220 lumens for 1.5 hours. I paid ~$20 per light and each light emits ~900 lumens.
 
#92 · (Edited)
Holy crap! lol That big light consumes some current! What is your lighting circuit rated at? All four of my LED's are fused on the AC side with only a 2amp fuse.

I recently purchased an -AMP CLAMP-, so I plan on getting some actual current draw readings on my setup. I want to compare the stock light vs LED light draw, stock light + handwarmers vs LED's + handwarmers.
 
#94 ·
Holy crap! lol That big light consumes some current! What is your lighting circuit rated at? All four of my LED's are fused on the AC side with only a 2amp fuse.

I recently purchased an -AMP CLAMP-, so I plan on getting some actual current draw readings on my setup. I want to compare the stock light vs LED light draw, stock light + handwarmers vs LED's + handwarmers.
The stock headlight is a 50 watt halogen, so I believe that the headlight circuit is rated at about 3 amps.:D
 
#97 ·
Will be interesting to see what you get, as I've ordered from a handful of different vendors and it seems there are only two different lights. Both sets of mine look like -THIS- (only difference in the lens, one set has a flood lens and the other a clear spot lens). They have a nice smooth and somewhat shiny surface and they have the blue/brown wires. The others I received in which I had issues with had a duller surface with red/black wires. The actual housing shape and size look to be identical between the two though.
 
#98 ·
OK, I have an update.

I just received my -AMP CLAMP- so I decided to do some testing of current draw and voltages of my system with the added (4) LED's. I tested the AC lead coming out of the stator as that's what matters. I didn't do any testing on the DC side of things. I may do that at a later time though.

Anyway, here is what I found (rpm's at 3,720ish):
All 4 LED's ON/handwarmers ON: 5.42A @ 12.5V = ~68 watts (too much for my liking)

So, I went back and wired up a separate switch which will allow me to turn the second set of LED's on/off independently from the first, but the first set has to be switched on if I want the second set turned on. I then went back and did a bunch more measurements. All measurements taken at 3,720ish rpms.

Stock headlight ON / handwarmers OFF: 1.95A @ 14.8V = ~29W
Stock headlight OFF / handwarmers ON: 2.81A @ 14.4V = ~40W
Stock headlight ON / handwarmers ON: 4.45A @ 13.5V = ~60W

2 LED's ON / handwarmers OFF: 1.15A @ 15V = ~17W
4 LED's ON / handwarmers OFF: 2.53A @14.2V = ~36W
2 LED's ON / handwarmers ON: 3.95A @ 13.65V = ~54W
4 LED's ON / handwarmers ON: 5.35A @ 12.7V = ~68W

So, even though I hardly ever use my handwarmers, I will only be using 2 of my LED's when I do use them so I'm not overloading my stator.
 
#99 ·
OK, I have an update.

I just received my -AMP CLAMP- so I decided to do some testing of current draw and voltages of my system with the added (4) LED's. I tested the AC lead coming out of the stator as that's what matters. I didn't do any testing on the DC side of things. I may do that at a later time though.

Anyway, here is what I found (rpm's at 3,720ish):
All 4 LED's ON/handwarmers ON: 5.42A @ 12.5V = ~68 watts (too much for my liking)

So, I went back and wired up a separate switch which will allow me to turn the second set of LED's on/off independently from the first, but the first set has to be switched on if I want the second set turned on. I then went back and did a bunch more measurements. All measurements taken at 3,720ish rpms.

Stock headlight ON / handwarmers OFF: 1.95A @ 14.8V = ~29W
Stock headlight OFF / handwarmers ON: 2.81A @ 14.4V = ~40W
Stock headlight ON / handwarmers ON: 4.45A @ 13.5V = ~60W

2 LED's ON / handwarmers OFF: 1.15A @ 15V = ~17W
4 LED's ON / handwarmers OFF: 2.53A @14.2V = ~36W
2 LED's ON / handwarmers ON: 3.95A @ 13.65V = ~54W
4 LED's ON / handwarmers ON: 5.35A @ 12.7V = ~68W

So, even though I hardly ever use my handwarmers, I will only be using 2 of my LED's when I do use them so I'm not overloading my stator.
If you're familiar with relays you can wire up a relay to shut off a set of LED's when the handwarmers are on which would be more safe than just depending on remembering to shut off a set of LED's (I know that I am very forgetful)
If you're not familiary with relays I'd be happy to help you with wiring one up, pretty easy once you get the general idea of how to manipulate a relay to turn off something once another thing is on, and how to manipulate a relay to turn something on once something else is on.