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Upgrading your snowblower lights to LED lights (Please see 1st post edit/mouseover this link)

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[Edit: LED technology has improved exponentially since this thread was started. Be aware that earlier posts may be somewhat outdated, and that you will likely find the most useful information in later updates. Y.R.]

In this thread, we'll talk about the do's and don'ts of LED headlight upgrades for your snowblower, and post videos and pictures of our successes.
There are many models of snowblowers that have a headlight circuit, In most cases, you can find a single wire that registers at anywhere from 12v to 20v AC (with no load) that is located somewhere on the engine, many times under the gas tank. Halogen lights are the typical light that comes with many of our snowblowers. Many of us want much more light than what the halogen bulb can give us, as well as better reliability than a halogen bulb. The search for something brighter and more reliable ends with the LED light. LED's (Light Emitting Diodes) are extremely efficient, very bright, and have thousands of hours of reliable use.
Since the lighting circuit is typically AC current at somewhere between 40-60hertz, if you just attach an LED light to the circuit you'll get pulsing light (think on and off 40-60 times a second) This is caused by the nature of an LED, because an LED is polarity sensitive, and has no warm-up or cool down time when compared to a halogen bulb filament, the LED will flicker noticeably. The flickering of an LED on AC current is mildly annoying to many people, but VERY annoying when you are attaching it to a moving object like a snowblower. An LED that is in motion when attached to AC current (for reasons I won't even begin to get into) flickers much more noticeably. To test this for yourself, take a strand of LED Christmas lights, plug them in, and then swing them in front of you at arm's length, you'll see a strobing or flickering effect.
You can see many LED headlight upgrade videos on youtube like this one, where you can definitely see the flickering or strobing of the LED's. You can see the effect the flicker has on the video camera, you get weird tracks that go from top to bottom of the video frame.
1. EXAMPLE OF IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
2. EXAMPLE OF YET AGAIN AN IMPROPER LED LIGHT INSTALL- NOTICE THE FLICKERING
This is what it looks like once you add a bridge rectifier, even though you’ll see a tiny bit of flicker in the video, in person there is none, you also can notice that there is no “tracking” effect like in the other videos.

The problem of light flicker is solved by using a full wave bridge rectifier.

A bridge rectifier takes AC current and changes it into DC current using 4 diodes.

By connecting the positive and negative from your LED light(s) to the DC output of your bridge rectifier, and then connecting your single headlight circuit wire to one of the AC inputs of the bridge rectifier (it doesn't matter which AC input) and then attaching a wire from the metal of your snowblower to the other AC input you will have light! For safety purposes, it is recommended that you place a fuse on the headlight circuit wire before the bridge rectifier which should be about 5 amps rated fast blow, and then a fuse on the positive wiring between your bridge rectifier and your LED light that should be about ~1amp fast blow fuses. These fuse ratings are assuming you are using a headlight circuit that is rated for ~1amp at about 18volts, some headlight circuits are rated for 2, 3, or more amps, so using an amperage calculator like this one can help with both your LED light selection and your fuse selection. Volts/Amps/Watts Converter
Here's a pic of how I installed my bridge rectifier, I mounted it right next to my keyed switch that is on my handlebar console. I also used heat sink paste to couple the bridge rectifier’s metal casing to the console’s metal. I know this is way overkill, but my bridge rectifier came with the paste, and it was an easy application of some paste. The bridge rectifier I used is rated at 50amps 100volts KBPC5010 Bridge Rectifier | Alltronics

UPDATE: Using two 2200mfd 50v capacitors may be needed to clean up the voltage ripple that comes off of the DC output on your bridge rectifier. Some LED lights are sensitive to this ripple and may fail prematurely. Simply adding these capacitors in parallel on the DC output side of the bridge rectifier is a good precaution. Wire in the Capacitor(s) between the LED light(s) and the bridge rectifier. So the positive and negative of the bridge rectifier will go to the positive and negative of the capacitor. Then the positive and negative of the capacitor then get wired to the LED(s) positive and negative.

When choosing your LED lighting you typically have spotlights or flood lights available. Spotlights have a more pinpoint dispersion with very little side spill of light. Flood lights illuminate a wider area, and with the short distances (from LED light to relevant distance in front of your snowblower) you’ll want as wide dispersion as possible, or else you’ll get a tiny area in front of you illuminated. I made sure to get floodlights that were rated for voltage below what my snowblower headlight circuit tests at and above, so being that my snowblower headlight circuit tests at 18volts I picked a set of LED floodlights that were rated for 9-32 volts. I wanted to make sure that I would never be putting the floodlights in danger with whatever voltage the headlight circuit was producing, even a small voltage peak is accounted for. The floodlights I chose are 9 watts each, which is as much as my headlight circuit is rated for.
For those that appreciate a short(ish) video with some basic points noted here is a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZwebMaiyBY
 
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I have an Ariens 924334 Pro , with a 11 hp Tecumseh ohsk , 28 “ with a light, hand warmers and a 12 volt starter.
Can I switch the light bulb to anything brighter, like an LED.
Stock bulb is an Ariens # 02465000 .
I can’t find anything on google or ebay or the parts places, just a $20 replacement ,same as I got.

Thanks
 
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Advice on Gauges

Thought I'd drop in and leave this here in case it helps anyone.
I came upon this thread while looking for a way to add a light to my MTD snowblower (circa 1996). I wanted a way to regulate the voltage output since most LED lights are rated for 12V. In doing so, I followed most of the shopping list given in the first post but with a slight improvement
Warm White 10W LED Flood Light
KBPC5010 Rectifier
A SINGLE Larger 3300uF Capacitor
Inline Fuse Holder
1A Fuse for my 10W LED
Toggle Switch
But here's the extra spice:
DC-DC Converter which functions both as a voltage regulator, but also smooths out what's left of any ripple that comes off the capacitor. Using this, I'm able to tune the voltage very precisely.

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The left two wires go to the light. The black wire on the right side is ground. And the red wire on the far right is the fuse -> switch -> strator power.
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(Sorry about the strange look of the item links, must be an Amazon thing...)
 
#1,357 ·
Thought I'd drop in and leave this here in case it helps anyone.
I came upon this thread while looking for a way to add a light to my MTD snowblower (circa 1996). I wanted a way to regulate the voltage output since most LED lights are rated for 12V. In doing so, I followed most of the shopping list given in the first post but with a slight improvement
Warm White 10W LED Flood Light
KBPC5010 Rectifier
A SINGLE Larger 3300uF Capacitor
Inline Fuse Holder
1A Fuse for my 10W LED
Toggle Switch
But here's the extra spice:
DC-DC Converter which functions both as a voltage regulator, but also smooths out what's left of any ripple that comes off the capacitor. Using this, I'm able to tune the voltage very precisely.

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The left two wires go to the light. The black wire on the right side is ground. And the red wire on the far right is the fuse -> switch -> strator power.
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(Sorry about the strange look of the item links, must be an Amazon thing...)
First informative post needs a hearty welcome..Hearty Welcome. Dpete.
 
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So riddle me this, I have installed multiple sets of LEDs over the years on Honda snowblowers but recently I switched to 48W round LEDs for the HS series machines with the 50W/3A output coils.

I only install an inline 5A fuse, to bridge rectifier to a toggle switch and then to the LED. My recent set up worked fine on the machine at idle but at WOT it burnt some of the LEDs in the array? Any ideas whats going on here?
 

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I will share some ideas because there is more than one reason for the lights to have gone belly up. The first has to do with applying too great a voltage...DC that is. Now IF you connected your leds to AC, that is another matter. Remember, led’s are diodes that allow current to flow only in one direction. So the rational now is, ‘’heck, forget about the negative half cycle of the AC voltage because the led will only allow current to flow in one direction.’’ OK so far although as in all things, there are ‘’BUTS!’’

The reverse voltage capability of the led may EXCEED the led’s rating......if there is any published rating. Back to ‘’BUTS!’’ If that is the cause for failure simply place a rectifier diode or any diode with both the rated current and voltage in series with the led. DON’T WORRY about the added polarity of the diode.....it will work or will not work. If not, simply reverse the diode’s connections and things should be OK.

The problem with connecting an led to AC is the amount of energized time/cycle is one half what it would be using DC. No matter if aC or DC, you should have a current limiting resistor in series with the led which could otherwise act as a short with nothing there to limit the current when the led is lighted.
 
#1,359 ·
I think you might have gotten a bad batch of lights. I was getting the cheap lights for jeeps, and a lot of the heavy equipment I work on, I'd buy them 50 at a time. I started getting some bad ones, told the seller, I think this batch was from Ebay, about it and they sent me new ones. On the next batch of 50, I had at least ten go bad and they wanted me to send them back to CHINA!!! I will not buy the cheap ones any more. I'm going with the middle of the road LED's now. I've had excellent results with the Run-D lights from Amazon.
 
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Thanks for the input guys, it seems like the LEDs do not like anything more than 12V. I ripped the nice wire loom and heat shrink to see if there was an issue with my wiring but everything looks good. On the work bench they are fine when supplied with a 12V constant, on the blower they are fine when the machine is at idle, its only when I apply WOT is when the LEDs start burning out. Is there a small 12V voltage regulator that can be installed to make sure the lights dont get any more than 12V power supply?

It seems like the coil can produce as much as 20V at peak, checking out the video below posted by another forum member.

 
#1,367 ·
Is there a small 12V voltage regulator that can be installed to make sure the lights don't get any more than 12V power supply?
I use a lot of small DC-DC step down modules. They are small, cheap and very efficient. You can usually set the output to what you want. You could set it to 12 to14 volts if your LEDs will tolerate and leave it. Here's an example. I'm not saying to buy this particular one, but you can find the one that best suits your need.

 
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So, I blew two LEDs from a batch of dozen or so that I got in this order, really bummed me out as I like the output from these particular LEDs, they are 48W which is 2W shy of the factory 50W output from the coils, the color is nice and white rather than the bluish hue that you get from most ebay LEDs.

Today I gutted the set up, changed the bridge rectifier, changed the rocker switch, changed the LED to one from a different batch, the other ones are rated to be 48W as well, that set up yielded the same result, the LEDs got blown right away. Hooked up the multimeter and the output was erratic it was bouncing all over the place from 2V to 18V and was not steady at all. I installed the OE halogen light on the unit and that one wouldnt work either, so currently I am in the process of swapping the OE coils with a spare pair I have, that SHOULD solve the issue as the old coils were most likely bad.

Updates to come.
 
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Bought my lights at Harbor Freight then did the mod by following Donyboy 73 on youtube. I put two lights on my Ariens and so far so good. Gotta love that Donyboy. I used a small hobby box under the dash for rectifier and capacitors hiding the wiring and it came out great, very neat and clean looking.
 
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Looking to install a led light bar on my 28in craftsman snowblower. It has an ac (black cord) and a dc (red wire) coming out. On the multimeter it was showing 14 volts on the dc very regularly. I ordered a 12in led light bat that's was rated for 9 to 30 v dc. It is 72watt light. I have power to my toggle switch but the light wont turn on at all. Did I get a light with to many watts? Attached is the picture of the light. Any ideas on how to get this to work?
 

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Believe you will need to use a bridge rectifier to get the AC to convert to negative DC. Unless you already did that.

Got a picture or two on your setup and wiring? Or a wiring diagram if you drew one of those?

I attached a picture of what I have. I got the light working fine today, and even ran it 3 to 4 different times. The last time I ran it about 5 to 10 minutes then shut off the light and turned it back on and it wont work now. My wire going to the light is showing 11 volts dc, but where the wire connects to the light only about 1 volt. Not sure if i fried the light or the light went bad. Wondering for ideas on what it could be and if I need to add anything to the circuit.
 

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Do you know the output of the generator? Some after only 18 Watts or so. When you find this out, subtract the power consumption of anything else you may have (heated hand grips, electric chute, etc). Don't go over that amount when you order a light. The output is rated at full throttle, so idle will reduce it.
 
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No way the generator will power a 72W light bar. Did you plan on jacking deer or something? If 20 Watts of LED lighting doesn't light your driveway enough in front of you, you may need cataract surgery.

To check your generator to see if you need a bridge rectifier take a multimeter if you have one and measure the DC output then switch your meter to AC and measure the AC component. If you have 12 volts of AC riding on the DC you may need a bridge and a capacitor.
 
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Still working on it here. Worked again for about 5 min then shut off. I have to connect the light to my car battery everytime it stops stops working. Once I plug it back into the snowblower for a bit it works then shuts off. Check the multimeter again and I am getting ac and dc to register. How can you tell if it I'd ac or dc? Guessing I may need a bridge rectifier. Any good ones you know of?
Thanks for all the help.
 

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Yeah that will never work. That generator is half bridge rectified ( single diode ), You will need a full bridge rectifier to get that AC component out.

Pure AC

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Half bridge... half AC half DC which is about what you are getting as a reading.

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Full bridge ( 4 diodes )

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Full bridge whit capacitor

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Bigger capacitor

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A KBPC1510 is over kill but it has a hole so you can mount it and 4 blade so you can connect with lugs.

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#1,380 ·
I WILL NOT be using a bridge rectifier, or an AC to DC converter for the replacement LED headlight bulb. The bulb I am using has circuitry to handle running off AC voltage.

I WILL be using an AC to DC converter for an LED light bar.

The illuminated switches in that article (that I already have) are DC rated, and have wiring diagrams for DC. My reason for not running the headlight off of DC from the converter is because the converter I have is not rated for high enough continuous amperage to run the headlight and the light bar at the same time.

I did not realize my "plan" would change into running the headlight off AC, when I made my purchases. If I wire the DC switch with AC, what will happen to the LED's that light up the illuminated switch? Nothing? Work as expected? Flicker? Catch fire eventually?

Maybe I should just eat the cost of the coverter and get a larger capacity one.
 
#1,382 ·
I have a pretty good mechanical knowledge, electrical is not my strong suit, but I can still make things work. I have a 2016 Poulan Pro PR270 with a 254cc LCT PW2HK engine (which I believe is an Ariens engine?). From my research, I believe the charging coil on my machine is 60W AC, my model does not have heated grips, only a single light. At full throttle the amperage reading of the light circuit is 1.402A with a voltage reading of 13.38V, which calculates out to 18.75W. Now I have never claimed to be a smart man, but where is the other 41.25 watts??

I’m looking at adding 2 18W 1200 lumen 4” LEDs, input voltage of 9-30v. If my charging coil is truly 60 W then I should be fine, correct??
 
#1,383 ·
Your other 41 watts are just sitting on their butt waiting for you to install the 36 watts of lights. Then there will only be 5 watts sitting on their butt. But, are you positive you have a 60 watt generator ? I ask, because engine manufacturers don't usually oversize their equipment to have a bunch of watts sitting on their butts.