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Repowering a Toro Super Recycler with the 159cc TXP Toro Loncin Engine:

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#1 ·
I repowered a Toro Super Recycler 4 SR4 model 20381 with the Chinese 159 txp engine with a honda GCV190 (GCV190LA-SC3-NH1 full model number). Long story short the chinese motor was becoming a hard starter (5-10 pulls cold, yes the choke was at least seemingly working correctly) and of course for a bit more power. Yes I could have troubleshot further (valves, etc) but I chose a 'funner' route.

Anyway for future reference any one else interested in something similar here is what Iearned/what you need:

IMPORTANT NOTE: This applies to a 159cc TXP engine WITHOUT BBC control (Straight shaft 25mm diameter, not tapered shaft)


If using a honda with the "S_3" (SC3 in my case) crankshaft:
-You'll need the Toro 114-2774 blade driver has a 1/4" key vs the 3/16" key in the one used with the 159cc engine.
-Will also need a 3/8-24 1.5" long bolt/washer for the blade. I got one from a hardware store, but Toro part 145-5695. The 159cc engine uses a 7/16-20 1.5" long bolt/washer.

Those are the only other two parts you need. The blade and belt heights are IDENTICAL to the stock engine with these parts, even though if you measure the crankshafts the Honda is about 5/16" (8mm) longer, but the Honda makes this up by sitting the same distance higher in reference to where the motor mounts to the mower deck.
-I bent the Blade/Bail bracket on the Honda, as when the bail was fully engaged it was a bit tight.


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If using any other engine, for instance Kawasaki FJ180V-M11
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You want a 25mmX80mm shaft. You may or may not need that Toro 114-2774 blade driver & 3/8-24 1.5" long bolt/washer for the blade, depending on the specifics of your crankshaft.
-May need to fabricate/purchase a choke and/or throttle mechanism depending on your choice.*

*This is why I went with the Honda, it had the autochoke and fixed throttle.
 
#3 ·
Thanks for the 25mm blade adapter part number with a 1/4 key. That information could come in handy for me some day:

114-2774

Do you know the part number for the 25mm blade adapter with the 3/16 key?
106-3987. They measure exactly the same in all regards except key thickness. (key is welded to hub)

This is one of those projects I spent hours researching and maybe 30min on the actual swap job.
 
#5 ·
Got asked about the performance, figured I should provide a post surgery use report:

It is more powerful, but it’s not life changing. Cutting performance wise, I’ve found if mulching it can’t make up for a clogged up deck. It doesn’t ever bog/slow down, but in thick/high grass will still clump especially if deck has buildup. I would still say it’s better.

Gripe 1: For me the gas tank is just the right size; It doesn’t run out on my lawn but is dry; maybe has a few extra minutes worth in it. The txp always had about 1/4 tank or so left.

The other gripe I have about it is the Honda takes awhile (about 5 min or so) to fully heat up and get completely off the “auto choke.” During that time it surges some, you’d want start in a less thick part of the yard until it’s fully warmed up.

My TXP was getting hard starting and I basically used that as an excuse to try it. If I were to do it again I might do the Kawasaki FJ 180 just to try something different. I think the FJ180V-_11-S is bolt on with the stock blade adapter, and the FJ180V-_22-S requires the noted blade adapter. The -22 might also need a throttle and choke control cable/assy as well.
 
#6 ·
Very helpful information here. I am also re-powering a Toro SR4 which grenanded its connecting rod. It is a model 20054, with the 125K02 Briggs engine (190cc flat head). With the knowledge about PTO threads and keyways, I'm better prepared to make this work. The original (blown) engine has a 7/16-20 blade bolt, and the PTO takes a 3/16" key.

The donor engine is also a Briggs 190cc flat head (625 series). I quickly discovered the PTO is drilled and tapped for a smaller blade bolt. I expect it will be the 3/8-24 bolt. I temporarily used the bolt from the donor, but the blade doesn't quite sit perfectly centered (3/8 bolt in a 7/16 hole). I'll probably order the Toro part 145-5695, as they are reasonably priced.

The blade adapter (driver) is part number 106-3987 with the 3/16" key welded inside. However, I suspect the donor engine has a 1/4" keyway. I know the correct thing would be to purchase the 114-2774 driver which has the proper sized key. However, I'm cheap and tempted to just use the adapter I already have. Is the sloppy fit between the key and the keyway going to end up a source of regret?